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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: DaMan on May 02, 2012, 10:24 pm

Title: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 02, 2012, 10:24 pm

Just got my first VALID AND USED with T-Mart BTC address.
From what I can see of it, the coins seams to had been split in two chunks. One is rather small, about 5% of the whole amount, and headed to some busy place, like looking at a SR or MtGox entry address.
The remaining about 95% went to a solo account filled up with big chunks. I need more samples to be sure, but by the looks of it, it's T-Mart's main wallet. Last sending movement was at 2012-04-29 09:10 and receiving 2012-04-30 00:09, so all it seams that by 29th someone was still there to move coins out. By this time there was already no communication from Tony, who was last seen 25th.

If I'm looking at the right address, the scam extent, just of T-Mart side is of 5 832.80 bitcoins. A few more samples would help to prove it.

Sorry for not pick my original thread, but I can't find it within this mess.

Edit: Also note, I'll not publish the addresses themselves until I'm sure those can actually help and not harm who made the transfers to there.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 02, 2012, 10:41 pm

I'll NOT rush on cause any damage and I fucking HATE LE, they are even worse than scammers, looks like fucking dogs always eager to bring someone to the judge, like dogs playing fetch to their owners.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Jimmy245 on May 02, 2012, 10:46 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

Wow, shameless snitch.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Prawl42 on May 02, 2012, 10:56 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

oink oink? Jesus no one likes a snitch.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Delta11 on May 02, 2012, 11:02 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

They need to ban this fail troll already, doing nothing but causing unnecessary drama/panic.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Delta11 on May 02, 2012, 11:07 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 11:05 pm

There's no such thing as a troll with my IQ.  Get angry all you like.  I'm smarter and better than you in every single way possible.

Spoken like a true genius, bravo.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BenJesuit on May 02, 2012, 11:14 pm

Sending... no, sicking LEO on him might end up hurting others on here as his security was likely loose. That would be hundreds of addresses that LEO could decide to monitor and perhaps do a controlled delivery.

Snitching is stupid. Snitching on a drug dealer on SR is asinine to the umpteenth degree.

eeeee <--- piss off, son.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 02, 2012, 11:19 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 11:05 pm

So instead of putting his dumb ass in jail, and then shanked, you'd rather he just get off scot-free from stealing from all of you?  There's no such thing as a troll with my IQ.  Get angry all you like.  I'm smarter and better than you in every single way possible.

If you turn on one vendor, what's to stop you from turning on them all? Yeah, it sucks that he scammed everyone. That's just life in the black market, though. If there is no honor among thieves, so to speak, there will be no thieves left.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: MrSnott on May 02, 2012, 11:26 pm

Karma will catch up with snitches and scammers... it always does.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 02, 2012, 11:27 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

If I knew you in real life I'd have strapped you to a chair and nailed your feet to the floor as soon as you'd said that and you wouldn't have left the room breathing. Dirty cooperating degenerate filthy cunt.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: MrSnott on May 02, 2012, 11:30 pm

Quote from: Limetless on May 02, 2012, 11:27 pm

If I knew you in real life I'd have strapped you to a chair and nailed your feet to the floor as soon as you'd said that and you wouldn't have left the room breathing. Dirty cooperating degenerate filthy cunt.

^^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^^^^

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: TheNewDude on May 02, 2012, 11:32 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

Seriously? We don't need your kind here. You are a dark spot in our glowing community. Many fucks be upon you.

Having someone put in jail for doing something that shouldn't be illegal. Now FRAUD is illegal... If we could report him for that, I'd be down. But since this is a black market, suck it up.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 02, 2012, 11:33 pm

Well done, DaMan, good work, keep us posted on all this.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 02, 2012, 11:41 pm

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 11:37 pm

Limitless, If I'm hindering your UK investigations in any way, please PM me the number of your superior so I can have a talk with him.

That implication is entirely uncalled for. You, sir, seem to exist solely for the purposes of stirring up drama.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 02, 2012, 11:44 pm

OK, enough with the snitch, actually was good that he shows around, made me realize that looking further can be hazardous.
So this is what we know, and is enough to end up with all speculation, YES it was a scam and YES Tony is alive and kicking, the coins were moved again MINUTES ago.
I got a hint from someone I lack the balls to follow, I was told to ask someone who has all my personal data and therefore can fuck me up and bottom. Sorry, this is how things work at black markets.  :(

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: philter3 on May 02, 2012, 11:45 pm

Quote from: Limetless on May 02, 2012, 11:27 pm

If I knew you in real life I'd have strapped you to a chair and nailed your feet to the floor as soon as you'd said that and you wouldn't have left the room breathing. Dirty cooperating degenerate filthy cunt.

Now now.. torturing people only gives you nightmares.. A quiet finale is the hallmark of a solid professional.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: chickenscratch on May 02, 2012, 11:48 pm

hate to say it but daMan is right. the constant shifting of btc without letting us know what his deal is means hes scamming us.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Delta11 on May 02, 2012, 11:53 pm

Quote from: DaMan on May 02, 2012, 11:44 pm

OK, enough with the snitch, actually was good that he shows around, made me realize that looking further can be hazardous.
So this is what we know, and is enough to end up with all speculation, YES it was a scam and YES Tony is alive and kicking, the coins were moved again MINUTES ago.
I got a hint from someone I lack the balls to follow, I was told to ask someone who has all my personal data and therefore can fuck me up and bottom. Sorry, this is how things work at black markets.  :(

Well it's better than him being caught by LE and putting all of his buyers at risk. It's a shame he went rogue but at least now we all learned a hard valuable lesson, never FE. I let my guard down one time and got scammed as so did many other reputable members but I think this strengthened the community so scammers will be easily spotted.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 02, 2012, 11:55 pm

Shit sucks. I'm sorry you guys lost out. You especially, Delta11.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: divinechemicals on May 02, 2012, 11:57 pm

Hey geeeenius, you understand that if you turned Tony in, the hammer would come down (to use your own words) on a bunch of his buyers too? What a fuck up you are. If I had you and the DEA president in a room and I had a gun with one bullet, I'd beat you to death with my bare hands and forget that the other guy was even there.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Serenity on May 03, 2012, 12:00 am

Wow, thanks for looking into the situation. All this snitch talk can die right fucking now. If tony goes down all his customers will be compromised.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:01 am

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 11:37 pm

Limitless, If I'm hindering your UK investigations in any way, please PM me the number of your superior so I can have a talk with him.

I fucking knew you were Mister Dank and that shit just confirmed it. You are so fucking see-through it is unreal. You talk the same, you are never online at the same time and you throw around conspiracy bullshit with no evidence and now start throwing out the "he's LE, he's LE, everyone is LE" bullshit too.

So transparent it's actually painful to watch. You shit-stirring little syphilitic cunt. Absolute LOL at anyone who buys from you now Dank given that you just said you would willingly hand over someone to the rozzers. You are actual scum.

Forum members, if you want to get me a present for Xmas buy me a Stanley knife and eeee/Mister Danks address.

Oh and well done on the info DaMan, that was some resourceful shit.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:06 am

Quote from: Serenity on May 03, 2012, 12:00 am

Wow, thanks for looking into the situation. All this snitch talk can die right fucking now. If tony goes down all his customers will be compromised.

YW.
My goal was just to give some peace of mind to the community and I think it has been achieved. I could dig further, but as many said and made me realize, that can bring pain, so I'm done now.
Sorry for all those who had losses with Tony.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: divinechemicals on May 03, 2012, 12:15 am

So what the FUCK are you doing here if you never plan to order?? What the hell do you hang around for? Go back to 4chan, they love 14 year old pieces of shit over there.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 12:19 am

Quote from: divinechemicals on May 03, 2012, 12:15 am

So what the FUCK are you doing here if you never plan to order?? What the hell do you hang around for? Go back to 4chan, they love 14 year old pieces of shit over there.

4chan likes them ten or under, actually.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 12:21 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:06 am

YW.
My goal was just to give some peace of mind to the community and I think it has been achieved. I could dig further, but as many said and made me realize, that can bring pain, so I'm done now.
Sorry for all those who had losses with Tony.

Yep, once I realized that around my order date, and later--4/15--there really haven't been any product delivered, to speak of.  Pretty much indicates a scam.  If he had gotten cracked, at least *some* of the packages would have arrived, from those early orders.  But  nothing came...and your bit of btc detective work confirmed.  Again, well done, much appreciated, and I'm glad you didn't feed the flames here, too.  We've had enough fires, and we've got a lot of good people here, and hopefully we can move past the occasional bad apple.  Site is new, we're just having growing pains.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:24 am

eeee, stop being childish, man! Most of Tony's customers were resellers. You don't buy 1oz of H to IV yourself or 1 sheet of LSD to trip alone, if he goes down then many of those will go along. Yes, Tony would get to jail as a payment for scamming, but for those others they would end up in jail and being scammed. So GTFO with LE.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 12:33 am

Quote from: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 12:21 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:06 am

YW.
My goal was just to give some peace of mind to the community and I think it has been achieved. I could dig further, but as many said and made me realize, that can bring pain, so I'm done now.
Sorry for all those who had losses with Tony.

Yep, once I realized that around my order date, and later--4/15--there really haven't been any product delivered, to speak of.  Pretty much indicates a scam.  If he had gotten cracked, at least *some* of the packages would have arrived, from those early orders.  But  nothing came...and your bit of btc detective work confirmed.  Again, well done, much appreciated, and I'm glad you didn't feed the flames here, too.  We've had enough fires, and we've got a lot of good people here, and hopefully we can move past the occasional bad apple.  Site is new, we're just having growing pains.

I remember a vendor, actually, whose packaging, while secure, suddenly kept getting picked up every time. He went from excellent delivery to not a single package arriving. Of course, he didn't requiring FE, and he refunded all orders... and reshipped at least a few. There is a tiny, microscopic, remote chance that Tony's packaging got compromised... and then he cut and ran with all the money.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: simplyanon on May 03, 2012, 12:36 am

So. Let me get this straight. Tony just up and scammed the shit out of an insanely loyal customer base for nearly 6000btc.?

That's only 30k.

If Tony filled just 10 orders a day for ~ 20btc each, (Plausible, no?) after a month he would have made just as much money. Tony, from what I read, wasn't an idiotic businessman. Unless he wanted out of the game, or needed to pay a debt with a quickness, I don't see any reason for him to up and scam everyone if he was making more money in a month than he would make off the scam.

After a bit of reading, me thinks there's more to the title of this situation than 'Scam'. Although I very well could be wrong.

Either way, I am sorry you guys got burned. It's a bad feeling that I know all to well. (Homeless in a couple weeks. Joy.)

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:42 am

Just as last update as Tony seams pretty busy packing his bitcoin stash, and he his really sloppy, he seams to believe that switch the same coins between addresses magically washes them, that might be a problem to fear in the time to come if he leaves such a trail, but as so I managed to hook on his main wallet. He's packing about 18.5K bitcoins (around 92,500 USD at current rates) from several sources.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:43 am

Simplyanon it's a little more than that it seems. People have estimated 100-250K lol.

Also DaMan can you explain how you are finding this out mate? If your info is accurate I gotta say I'm pretty fucking impressed by all accounts.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: alcapone on May 03, 2012, 12:43 am

Quote from: simplyanon on May 03, 2012, 12:36 am

So. Let me get this straight. Tony just up and scammed the shit out of an insanely loyal customer base for nearly 6000btc.?

That's only 30k.

If Tony filled just 10 orders a day for ~ 20btc each, (Plausible, no?) after a month he would have made just as much money. Tony, from what I read, wasn't an idiotic businessman. Unless he wanted out of the game, or needed to pay a debt with a quickness, I don't see any reason for him to up and scam everyone if he was making more money in a month than he would make off the scam.

After a bit of reading, me thinks there's more to the title of this situation than 'Scam'. Although I very well could be wrong.

Either way, I am sorry you guys got burned. It's a bad feeling that I know all to well. (Homeless in a couple weeks. Joy.)

The 6000BTC was from T-Mart alone I believe.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: raven92 on May 03, 2012, 12:48 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:24 am

eeee, stop being childish, man! Most of Tony's customers were resellers. You don't buy 1oz of H to IV yourself or 1 sheet of LSD to trip alone, if he goes down then many of those will go along. Yes, Tony would get to jail as a payment for scamming, but for those others they would end up in jail and being scammed. So GTFO with LE.

A lot of people order a sheet for their headstash to keep, and you can use a oz of H by yourself no problem. Its just not a weekend dose, but then again most people on here are semi regular users.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:49 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:43 am

Simplyanon it's a little more than that it seems. People have estimated 100-250K lol.

Also DaMan can you explain how you are finding this out mate? If your info is accurate I gotta say I'm pretty fucking impressed by all accounts.

I got T-Mart's main wallet and I'm following outbound transactions until the limit where they resemble a single person behavior/wallet. So at some point they start to intersect with coins from other sources, giving you an idea of the whole amount moved by that single person.
Wallets of exchanges, markets and e-wallet systems will look like a mess with inconsistent values flowing in and out at a very fast rate, single person wallets, with stashes the size of the one tony is packing are however easy to follow.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: loppy141 on May 03, 2012, 12:49 am

Quote from: simplyanon on May 03, 2012, 12:36 am

So. Let me get this straight. Tony just up and scammed the shit out of an insanely loyal customer base for nearly 6000btc.?

That's only 30k.

If Tony filled just 10 orders a day for ~ 20btc each, (Plausible, no?) after a month he would have made just as much money. Tony, from what I read, wasn't an idiotic businessman. Unless he wanted out of the game, or needed to pay a debt with a quickness, I don't see any reason for him to up and scam everyone if he was making more money in a month than he would make off the scam.

^Not quite. He scammed 30K, totally free money, losing no cash to product costs. Had me vended here for a month he would have sold 30K sure, but made maybe half due to the product costs. Either scam in a day for 30K, or work for 60 days for 30K.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:52 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:49 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:43 am

Simplyanon it's a little more than that it seems. People have estimated 100-250K lol.

Also DaMan can you explain how you are finding this out mate? If your info is accurate I gotta say I'm pretty fucking impressed by all accounts.

I got T-Mart's main wallet and I'm following outbound transactions until the limit where they resemble a single person behavior/wallet. So at some point they start to intersect with coins from other sources, giving you an idea of the whole amount moved by that single person.
Wallets of exchanges, markets and e-wallet systems will look like a mess with inconsistent values flowing in and out at a very fast rate, single person wallets, with stashes the size of the one tony is packing are however easy to follow.

Ok but how did you get T-Marts main wallet? How sloppy is he actually being with his transactions?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:58 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:52 am

Ok but how did you get T-Marts main wallet? How sloppy is he actually being with his transactions?

After get addresses used for deposit there by some users I found them converging to two places, as I said in the beginning, one of those places is consistent with a main wallet. If you were paying directly to Tony there then it means it's his main wallet the other being a commission to someone(?) or a direct link to an exchange(?) or e-wallet(?).
Coins themselves are the traceable part of the bitcoin network, that's why it's called "pseudo-anonymous" and not "anonymous", if you roll the same coins over 100 addresses, those coins will still link to the first address where you started.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 12:59 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:58 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:52 am

Ok but how did you get T-Marts main wallet? How sloppy is he actually being with his transactions?

After get addresses used for deposit there by some users I found them converging to two places, as I said in the beginning, one of those places is consistent with a main wallet. If you were paying directly to Tony there then it means it's his main wallet the other being a commission to someone(?) or a direct link to an exchange(?) or e-wallet(?).
Coins themselves are the traceable part of the bitcoin network, that's why it's called "pseudo-anonymous" and not "anonymous", if you roll the same coins over 100 addresses, those coins will still link to the first address where you started.

That's why you have to split them up into a million transactions and a million addresses. And even then, it is still machine-traceable.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 01:02 am

Ah I understand now. Smart shit. :)

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:04 am

Quote from: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 12:59 am

That's why you have to split them up into a million transactions and a million addresses. And even then, it is still machine-traceable.

No, it doesn't matter how many times you split them, the only way to wash coins is to merge them in places that runs transactions out of the blockchain, like SR. You deposit your 100 tainted coins and withdraw 100 mixed coins no longer related to the original 100.
If you just roll them by your own addresses, you'll be rolling always the same tainted coins.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: alcapone on May 03, 2012, 01:05 am

DaMan - your talking ONLY about the T-Mart transactions, correct ? Nothing related to SR ?

So the ammount Tony is trying to make off with is MUCH larger than 30K

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:08 am

No, those 18,5K came from several sources. The first 5,8K is what is T-Mart's only. Those 18,5K merged with the other 5,8K in a single wallet.
But we must note that out of those 5,8K, around 3,5K are still there, which must be sum to those 18,5K.
I hadn't followed upstream those other sources, so he might have some more hanging somewhere in-between.

Roughly we could be easily speaking of something over 25K or 30K bitcoins

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 01:09 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 12:43 am

<snip>
Also DaMan can you explain how you are finding this out mate? If your info is accurate I gotta say I'm pretty fucking impressed by all accounts.

I'm pretty impressed too.  I know my way around bitcoins, to a point, and have chased down my own missing blocks before....but this is really good.  Maybe when it's all done, you could give a little 'seminar' or online lecture in it...fascinating and takes some of the sting out of my personal loss these past couple of weeks...

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: teepls on May 03, 2012, 01:13 am

so the OP is saying he found btc tranactions from tmarts btc account being send to other btc accounts?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: alcapone on May 03, 2012, 01:14 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:08 am

No, those 18,5K came from several sources. The first 5,8K is what is T-Mart's only. Those 18,5K merged with the other 5,8K in a single wallet.
But we must note that out of those 5,8K, around 3,5K are still there, which must be sum to those 18,5K.
I hadn't followed upstream those other sources, so he might have some more hanging somewhere in-between.

Roughly we could be easily speaking of something over 25K or 30K bitcoins

Oh ... I must have misread. I thought we were only talking the first 6K BTC ( $30000 ) ... You have tracked much more it seems.

I estimated Tony likely took over 100K ... 1 week of sales + 420 sale + Tmart ... but its gonna be much more than that.

Now the question ... can you cash that much out ? DaMan, insight ?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: simplyanon on May 03, 2012, 01:19 am

Okay. Fuck this guy.

Lynch mob.

Anyone?

I'll bring the rope and torches. Need pitchforks though.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:21 am

I've to be careful about the info I give to give valuable info to community but not to LE at this point. Let me try to explain teepls:

(coins)->T-Mart->another address->yet another->another->and another------->current place->(coins)
As you see the coins are always the same and the movements are consistent to a single person, movements of 200, 500, 1000 bitcoins to places where then they're moved again and merged later with coins from the same original source.

Like this: suppose I've 500 bitcoins, I move 100 to addy A, 200 to addy B, 150 to addy C, 50 to addy D, then D+A to E, B+C to F, then E+F to G. At G I'll have the same coins from the beginning, means I was doing nothing but wasting my time and not washing anything. If at point F I added H, another source where I'd 500, I'll end up with 1000 at G, but I also linked H to me, so someone could track upstream to see where H leads to.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 01:24 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:21 am

I've to be careful about the info I give to give valuable info to community but not to LE at this point. Let me try to explain teepls:

(coins)->T-Mart->another address->yet another->another->and another------->current place->(coins)
As you see the coins are always the same and the movements are consistent to a single person, movements of 200, 500, 1000 bitcoins to places where then they're moved again and merged later with coins from the same original source.

Like this: suppose I've 500 bitcoins, I move 100 to addy A, 200 to addy B, 150 to addy C, 50 to addy D, then D+A to E, B+C to F, then E+F to G. At G I'll have the same coins from the beginning, means I was doing nothing but wasting my time and not washing anything. If at point F I added H, another source where I'd 500, I'll end up with 1000 at G, but I also linked H to me, so someone could track upstream to see where H leads to.

Lol at how he can't even be fucked to cover his anus properly.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mybodymychoice on May 03, 2012, 01:27 am

eeee. i posted in a thread yesterday where u were going on with your doomsday scenarios but u never answered me - you just said i didnt want to beleive or some nonsense. i will beleive you if you can explain in detail how its possible to crack multiple layers of encryption and bring down SR - but you wont be able to explain because you're just a troll and not smart enough.. oh and because its not feasibly possible to crack that much encryption!! i posted some very technical questions because I am very fucking IT smart myself and I challenge you to "geek" it out here and explain to me how it's possible to decrypt multiple, multiple layers of STRONG encryption? the "theoretical" cracking of regular PGP / AES/ SSL 2048 or 4096 bit encryption would take years even with todays modern high powered cray super computers and compute clusters. i think you've been reading WAY too many articles about that NSA center they're designing. First off... ITS NOT BUILT YET!!! Also u mentioned how big n powerful it would be which made u look like an idiot. U said they had tons and tons of storage which we all know from the article but u mentioned SSD storage  like that made it even more powerful and high capacity - you were trying to convince us that you are IT smart but u clearly proved you're nothing but a poser and probably calls Geeksquad at BestBuy every time you get a virus from trying to download free porn.  Let me explain how and why you're so stupid by mentioning SSD as if it had any importance. First of all, nobody uses SSD for large storage arrays!! it is primarily used for fast IO situations like in a RAID array it can be used as a cache drive - using an SSD drive to cache the data before its read/written to disk can significantly speed up IO operations on lower speed drives - larger capacity drives  = slower speeds. thats why u dont see any 3TB or even 1TB, 10-15K SAS/Fiber channel drives. secondly you're a dumb fuck. what difference does the type of storage make in the doomsday scenario you were trying to paint? stop trying to sound smart because having SSD disks doesnt make anything more "powerful" or whatever the fuck. last, you dumb ignorant fuck, SSD disks are the WORST type of drives for large storage capacity needs. If they are going to storage all the worlds encrypted data, I recommend they use a shitton of 3TB enterprise SATA disks. sure throw some SSD in as a cache for performance reasons but thats it. the point of all this geek talk in a drug forum is that the super data center that isnt built yet isnt going to bring SR down. neither is the encryption used here going to be cracked and expose us. there is simply too much encryption: TOR, hardware, software, database, internode, SR internal, PGP and possibly privnote cannot be all cracked. theyd be lucky if they cracked one of those levels in the next 5 years... or life time. if they cracked two levels they deserve a gold star! no no.. THREE gold stickers!!! now im not saying shit isnt brewing in the DEA/FBI ... im sure it is, but if anyones busted it will be by taking the site down entirely and if DPR revelaed all his encryption keys. highly unlikely though because the man is a genious and probably has so many different sites in countries that would love to tell the USA to fuck themselves, even if they managed to crack some of Tor and get a real IP address. do u think DPR has actually setup these servers in remote countries under his real name or any traceable payment? of course not. hes probably paying his datacenter bills in bitcoins directly or cashing them to prepaid visas or something and paying that way. i am not too too worried about DPR. the man is fuckin smart.

what i am worried about is you. Your native instinct to sell Tony out to LE wreaks of LE. You want that to happen so anyone assoicated with him gets burned. I will admit I was very positive Tony wasnt scamming but i was clearly wrong & i suppose eeee was right from the beginning that tony was scamming. but that doesnt change that eeee is a fuck tard and was wrong about  everything else and still is.

We all know tony is reading this.. he's probably a bit nervous now that some of his trail has been followed by people much smarter then him... but he will never reveal himself because he clearly was a sociopath and a ballsless peice of shit.. probably molested by his step dad and neglected and beaten by his mother. but he's rich now so what the fuck right? tony i/we all trusted u and this is how u reward us and scar SR? the damage u have caused to SR is huge. not to mention that one dude who said he was going to kill himself if he didnt get his order. what if he really did kill himself because he lot alot, was WDing from your "killer" H and couldnt afford anymore and just couldnt take the pain? blood on your hands u fuck.

i hope u enjoy OUR money and bang alot of hookers too.. and i also hope one of the hookers gives u an STD that makes your tiny dick burn like a muthabitch and your nuts have to be removed. haha. Fuck you Tony. I trusted u and stood up for you while others were hating. Seriously, FUCK YOU TONY.

And to DaMan. Nice job tracking down some of the money like a fuckin boss! Kinda scarey actually though how easy that was for u. Im assuming it was only possible because it was thru T-Mart right? I hope it wouldnt be as easy thru SR cuz theres supposed to be a tumbler in place.

eeee you are a debbie downer and not welcome here. after tonys burn (and from the looks of it noriega) we need all the love and positive vibes around here that we can get. if u have such concerns and are really that smart why dont u provide us the community, and ultimately DPR with suggestions on any holes that you may have discovered and how to fix them?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:30 am

I just don't "lol" at this because I'm not the only guy able to track coins and I truly hope tony takes sometime to read this thread and washes his stack properly, or he might well be tainted at MtGox and you know MagicalTux is a volunteer snitch, he wrote a letter to DEA applying for that "job".

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:36 am

Yes, mybodymychoice, T-Mart is his weak spot, specially because he hadn't forwarded it properly. It's impossible to track him from SR unless DPR publishes the addresses he used for withdraw.
Taken on a hint I got, and which I've to keep to myself (hope you understand), the other 5% entered a place where I've to say; job well fucking done! Not in a million years someone can track that.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 01:39 am

MBMC you have just made me jizz my pants for the second day in a row now. That was beautiful and made me jizz so hard my balls now ache.

I'm ordering you to go henceforth unto my listings, and pick something to sample: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/fa89fcfcd2

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: spacewasp on May 03, 2012, 01:59 am

holy shite...i've been off the forums for a few days and THIS is what happens?  I can't read 40 pages of Tony76's official thread, so can anyone give cliffs notes?

I registered at T-Mart but never bought anything...is my address compromised since I had it stored on there?

also, did he ship out any fake drugs?  I bought a gram of MDMA right before the sale but haven't tried it yet...

this is unbelievable.  what a cock smoker.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 02:00 am

Quote from: eeee on May 03, 2012, 01:56 am

Have fun getting your address harvested dealing with Limitless.  Also I love the fact that karma worked out the way it should, and tony fucked himself on this one, by making t mart.  It will be his downfall.  Everybody say bye bye tony.

Whatever Mister Dank/eeee. Someone owned you that good and all you can do is pull more bullshit. For MBMC deserves a few lines of whatever he fancies after that.

Oh and it's LIMETLESS not fucking LIMITLESS. Use your eyes, you cunt.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: CrankedToEleven on May 03, 2012, 02:06 am

Quote from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 10:39 pm

Personally, I'd release the address to LE.  If he sent coins to MT.Gox or another exchange which is verified, it will only take them 10 minutes to have his address and a raiding party ready to go.  Even if there's no evidence in house, he will go to jail for a long long time, but he would get shanked on day one, cause I know hes a softie.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ -- you are, as they say in Tropic Thunder, full-on fucking retard. I do appreciate a quality asshole (as I'm frequently reminded by peers how much of one I am) -- sardonic, snarky, pessimistic, offensive in a clever way, having a purpose for your prickly exterior, and being neither humiliating nor pointlessly cruel to those who don't deserve it. You, eeee (or e^4 = ~55) are 55 pounds (25 kg) of shit for brains stuffed in a vile 2 rock vial. You are not worthy of the sobriquet asshole.

To quote the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (who is not a nigger): The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Along this scale, your true measure is 1: either your sperm count or IQ. Haven't decided which. However bitter Tony's dick in your mouth may have been after he shot his load and bolted without throwing down the grams of dope he promised, snitching should never have entered your tiny little brain.

SR exists outside of the law -- consequently the law is our sworn enemy. Above all, we owe it to each member involved here to never, EVER invite attention from those who would relish the obliteration of SR and perp walk its denizens. Getting ripped off is a bitter pill. The animosity seething from your mind is justified. But what does snitching accomplish? You aren't getting your btc back if Tony's picked up by LEO. You aren't getting the drugs you were promised. At most, you may feel some short-lived vindication. But once LE gets a whiff, that tenacious motherfucker will make future transactions more difficult.

Even on the streets there's a code of justice -- enforced and given legitimacy by those in The Game. Don't snitch. Don't handle your shit like a bitch. Man the fuck up. SR is a far cry from the blood soaked drug corners and screaming bullets piercing the night, but it too demands its own rules of conduct for the players. And those rules certainly do not include involving disruptive outsiders into disputes.

There will be more talk of snitching. Remember Hector Salamanca from Breaking Bad. And how he spit on the DEA agents asking who pulled the trigger on his nephew, despite knowing full well who it was. He longed for vengeance, but despite the egregious transgression committed against Tuco, he saw street justice as the true path to achieving it. He'd handle his business. Fuck the police. And fuck snitches.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:25 am

OMFG!!!! Tony is sending unwashed coins to MtGox! Fucking shit, if you read this: contact your "pal" he may help you, or you fucked him too? If you did, try to find somebody else with enough knowledge about bitcoins.
I rather not see another transaction to MtGox out of that dirty stash! You'll end up FUCKING everybody yourself included,  the coins are popping at MtGox's green address.  >:(
And no, roll coins for 1000 addresses (man, do you've a life? My finger hurts out of so many clicks to follow those 5k you're trying to wash) doesn't help.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: darkslayer96 on May 03, 2012, 02:41 am

Quote from: spacewasp on May 03, 2012, 01:59 am

holy shite...i've been off the forums for a few days and THIS is what happens?  I can't read 40 pages of Tony76's official thread, so can anyone give cliffs notes?

I registered at T-Mart but never bought anything...is my address compromised since I had it stored on there?

also, did he ship out any fake drugs?  I bought a gram of MDMA right before the sale but haven't tried it yet...

this is unbelievable.  what a cock smoker.

Ive had some of Tony76's MDMA it was great..Its a shame he is gone.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: bp on May 03, 2012, 02:41 am

So he's going to crash the bitcoin too? Well, a bit anyway.
And burn us all..........

Hey, what's everyone's personal policy on a vendor that requires fe these days?
Never again.

But Tony, Noreiga......WD sucked....but I'm out. One, probably many more, less marks for your next scam, and you'll need one sooner or later.
Your still frauds and deserve prosecution by a jury or your peers, not that gang of criminal slave drivers  masquerading as "agents of justice" that fleece us even worse than you, but a jury of US.

Who knows....might happen.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 02:42 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:25 am

OMFG!!!! Tony is sending unwashed coins to MtGox! Fucking shit, if you read this: contact your "pal" he may help you, or you fucked him too? If you did, try to find somebody else with enough knowledge about bitcoins.
I rather not see another transaction to MtGox out of that dirty stash! You'll end up FUCKING everybody yourself included,  the coins are popping at MtGox's green address.  >:(
And no, roll coins for 1000 addresses (man, do you've a life? My finger hurts out of so many clicks to follow those 5k you're trying to wash) doesn't help.

So not only is he fucking himself, he's fucking everyone else, fucking the bitcoin economy, and... just... ... Maybe someone hijacked his coins? Let's pray.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 02:50 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:25 am

OMFG!!!! Tony is sending unwashed coins to MtGox! Fucking shit, if you read this: contact your "pal" he may help you, or you fucked him too? If you did, try to find somebody else with enough knowledge about bitcoins.
I rather not see another transaction to MtGox out of that dirty stash! You'll end up FUCKING everybody yourself included,  the coins are popping at MtGox's green address.  >:(
And no, roll coins for 1000 addresses (man, do you've a life? My finger hurts out of so many clicks to follow those 5k you're trying to wash) doesn't help.

LOL...that way lies dark times.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mybodymychoice on May 03, 2012, 03:00 am

Tony... you stole alot of money from the community... Notice how i said COMMUNITY because thats what the REAL SR peepz are. The dedicated ones fighting for our cause. But despite you ripping the community off of probably $100K, I dont want to see you busted for drugs so im going to give you this suggestion. Move all your coins into one PC Wallet and export those wallets to an encrypted USB(s). format the drives of the computers u did business/scamming on. if your teck savvy enough to use a scrubber then format the drive using method that will alteast override each secor of the disk once. military level formatting would be great. then take those disks out and burn them. then either drop them off in various neighborhoods on garbage day in people's garbage bags if they leave them out overnight before pickup so nobody sees you, or throw them into the pacific ocean as far as you can off the furthest pier or even better on a boat. in a year or however randomly long from now slowly start to funnel the money out.

im only posting this because you already have everyones fucking money... and a fuckload of it at that. personally, if you stole several K from me I would rather u spend it safely knowing our data is all gone, then u be an idiot and not scrub the data... PS. you've already conned everyone, why not come on and blatantly admit it? laugh at us. have the final word man.  alot of ppl liked u so much at points. atleast do us the favor of telling us u did 100% scam us and will scrub up and fuck off in your new rich life. cmon. we made u bro.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: jollymolly on May 03, 2012, 03:04 am

Good thing I didn't buy from him for 4/20. I never ordered anything from T-Mart because it just seemed way too sketchy to me. I ordered 2Gs of mdma from him once and got an invite to his store for "loyal customers". While I appreciated it I felt I would have been safer ordering his products off SR even though they were cheaper on the T-Mart. The saddest part is all of my friends who tried his mdma loved it but I still never had to chance to try it  :-[

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:06 am

He isn't fucking btc economy, at least is not dumping his whole stash at once, but is sending like 800~2500 to MtGox without wash.
This way, if MagicalTux can access T-Mart's wallet and if the coins were bough there also, he can link Tony and his buyers, doesn't even need TM's database, as he have the personal data of his costumers.

Basically:

Buyer A withdrew from MtGox to addy A -> TMart -> lame attempt of wash by rolling coins -> MtGox
MtGox can link both ends of the deal... nice, no?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 03:11 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:06 am

He isn't fucking btc economy, at least is not dumping his whole stash at once, but is sending like 800~2500 to MtGox without wash.
This way, if MagicalTux can access T-Mart's wallet and if the coins were bough there also, he can link Tony and his buyers, doesn't even need TM's database, as he have the personal data of his costumers.

Basically:

Buyer A withdrew from MtGox to addy A -> TMart -> lame attempt of wash by rolling coins -> MtGox
MtGox can link both ends of the deal... nice, no?

So on an even more basic level this implies that those who made orders for a fair whack could possibly be ok to start wanting to clean house by now?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BlarghRawr on May 03, 2012, 03:11 am

... Fuck. That is horrible for everyone, DaMan.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 03:13 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 01:21 am

I've to be careful about the info I give to give valuable info to community but not to LE at this point. Let me try to explain teepls:

(coins)->T-Mart->another address->yet another->another->and another------->current place->(coins)
As you see the coins are always the same and the movements are consistent to a single person, movements of 200, 500, 1000 bitcoins to places where then they're moved again and merged later with coins from the same original source.

Like this: suppose I've 500 bitcoins, I move 100 to addy A, 200 to addy B, 150 to addy C, 50 to addy D, then D+A to E, B+C to F, then E+F to G. At G I'll have the same coins from the beginning, means I was doing nothing but wasting my time and not washing anything. If at point F I added H, another source where I'd 500, I'll end up with 1000 at G, but I also linked H to me, so someone could track upstream to see where H leads to.

These few pages have been fun, and I appreciate you showing us how you did it.  I lost 2 H grams worth of btc, and up until today I was kind of blue, but this distracted me and got me moving on.  As others have said, we've got a great community here, with lots of solid people, and hopefully we can move on to better things.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:25 am

Let's hope MagicalTux is distracted with his site and Tony is too small for LE to bother, but yes, he could take some lecture on bitcoins before try to simply run away or start to try to "wash" them by swapping addresses.
Anything that has "Digital" in its name leaves a trail.
For those sending from other sources than MtGox, shouldn't bother much as, at least just by peeking at the blockchain MTux can't link them.

The major issue is that Mark Karpeles (MTux) did this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/financial-bitcoin-idUSN1510930920110615

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 03:53 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:25 am

Let's hope MagicalTux is distracted with his site and Tony is too small for LE to bother, but yes, he could take some lecture on bitcoins before try to simply run away or start to try to "wash" them by swapping addresses.
Anything that has "Digital" in its name leaves a trail.
For those sending from other sources than MtGox, shouldn't bother much as, at least just by peeking at the blockchain MTux can't link them.

The major issue is that Mark Karpeles (MTux) did this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/financial-bitcoin-idUSN1510930920110615

That is a spooky little article, and it's already almost a year old, so god knows how many more xchanges have cozied up to LE.  Those senators are such tightasses.  Why on earth they'd care so much.  We've gotten so far away from the intent of our founding fathers in the US.  I always liked TradeHill better myself, but they went under anyway.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mybodymychoice on May 03, 2012, 03:56 am

eeee you are still a giant fear mongering troll but I have to admit that mtgox stuff is kinda concerning. What if a buyer has a balance in their SR wallet, then transfers it back, tumbling or not, to Mtgox and converts to USD currency and wire to their bank? Does that mean that someone would be assumed a drug dealer? It certainly implies they are atleast a drug buyer which may not even be true cuz u theres other stuff besides drugs here - even discount electronics! Or what about our actual non drug vendors who are just selling small things like ebooks, electronics, guides, porn, etc? they probably make a pretty penny from ppl trying to build their stats. are they going to be accused of being drug dealers too? Bitcoin is supposed to be anonymous but if the guys at mtgox are going to hand over our info to LE when we have not actually sold drugs but have no way to prove we didnt, then we are in trouble. I still stand by all my points about it being nearly impossible to crack all the layers of encryption involved with TOR and SR. but if mtgox or any other bitcoin exchange is going to be a sqeaky wheel then we're in big trouble. I am hoping that not actually living in the USA is to my advantage.

i think this is a serious concern that should be brought up in another thread. regarding the bitcoin records that DPR keeps. it is known that previous addresses are stored in a database and can be used again. im not sure if that is indefinitely or for a period of time but the fact is it's traceable data in a DB. i think this should be removed completely. after 2 or 3 days previous addresses are purged forever. and any other bitcoin & shipping address information is not stored in any part of the DB any longer then 2 or 3 days after which will be purged forever.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: seuss on May 03, 2012, 04:03 am

Quote from: CrankedToEleven

SR exists outside of the law -- consequently the law is our sworn enemy. Above all, we owe it to each member involved here to never, EVER invite attention from those who would relish the obliteration of SR and perp walk its denizens.

reminds me of all the feeble-minded people who call 911 after someone stole their drugs lmao

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: pbody88 on May 03, 2012, 04:29 am

Some dickhead on here reckoned Tony raped his wife n son n shit.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Tigger on May 03, 2012, 04:49 am

Quote from: pbody88 on May 03, 2012, 04:29 am

Some dickhead on here reckoned Tony raped his wife n son n shit.

qft

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DwarfSeeker on May 03, 2012, 04:53 am

Quote from: pbody88 on May 03, 2012, 04:29 am

Some dickhead on here reckoned Tony raped his wife n son n shit.

^
::)

all this about tony cashing his coins out without washing them properly though.. thanks for the hard work daman

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: cacoethes on May 03, 2012, 05:04 am

+1 to DaMan...  Which hardly seems sufficient given that this is far and away the most interesting thread I've read here to date.  I'll definitely be following this one to its end.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 05:15 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:25 am

Let's hope MagicalTux is distracted with his site and Tony is too small for LE to bother, but yes, he could take some lecture on bitcoins before try to simply run away or start to try to "wash" them by swapping addresses.
Anything that has "Digital" in its name leaves a trail.
For those sending from other sources than MtGox, shouldn't bother much as, at least just by peeking at the blockchain MTux can't link them.

The major issue is that Mark Karpeles (MTux) did this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/financial-bitcoin-idUSN1510930920110615

So if I understand you correctly, the BTC he stole, which originally had buyers info attached to it (unless it was washed prior) is now getting sent to the Open Market Exchange where any person or LE could possibly trace these to a Mt.Gox account....   :o
I hope no one has their info attached to these BTC.  :'(
(if im' understanding this correctly)

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Crooked on May 03, 2012, 05:33 am

I think tony76 is missit. And I also think that this person will be back on the road again shortly. And I also think people are going to keep FEing despite all this knowledge.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: regurgitatedconduit on May 03, 2012, 05:38 am

Quote from: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 05:15 am

So if I understand you correctly, the BTC he stole, which originally had buyers info attached to it (unless it was washed prior) is now getting sent to the Open Market Exchange where any person or LE could possibly trace these to a Mt.Gox account....   :o
I hope no one has their info attached to these BTC.  :'(
(if im' understanding this correctly)

This is only true for people who went through T-mart. SR has it's own tumbling setup, so Tony wouldn't have received your coins directly, he would receive arbitrary coins from SR when he transfers out.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: jackintherox. on May 03, 2012, 05:43 am

Quote from: Crooked on May 03, 2012, 05:33 am

I think tony76 is missit. And I also think that this person will be back on the road again shortly. And I also think people are going to keep FEing despite all this knowledge.

It's going to be interesting, as he would definitely want to come back after this last killing. I'm suspicious of anyone selling his same products, but I bet he will use different accounts for each of his products or something similar. For instance, how did we decide that OPI wasn't tony? If tony planned this out I bet he would have started his other accounts before this fiasco, especially when selling something as unique as H pebbles from Canada!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: alcapone on May 03, 2012, 05:54 am

It will be very tough to weed out Tony if he does return.

IMO there is 2 maybe 3 places in Canada that a vendor can operate from and the best area is where Tony was working out of. There will be new sellers and there are current sellers from that area currently and you cant just discredit them instantly because its a hot bed for drug activity.

Also ... tony could return with modifications on products he offered. The MDMA could turn into brown sand variety, the LSD a new pattern, he could start stocking whatever his "angel investor" was giving him etc.

And maybe that was the plan all along ... cash out the low margin, high volume drug selling and return as a meth or oxy seller.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: jh0000n on May 03, 2012, 06:26 am

Id laugh so hard if tony76 was just some kid that knew a drug dealer and thought of this whole scam..."angel investor" maybe tony was just the middle man selling someone elses shit and then decided to pull this scam and keep some cash for himself...its plausible

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: andyki on May 03, 2012, 09:16 am

This thread is excellent.

Keep watching those coins, DaMan...

If MtGox were aware of what is going down here (and i'm sure they are - in fact, there are other well known clearnet sites discussing these very issues at this time) ... they might take an interest in one person trying to cash out a large volume of coins.

AFAIK you need to provide pretty solid ID to withdraw even a medium size cash sum from MtGox ($1000US?). MtGox would have a pretty damn good idea of who that might be. In any case, it's not easy to open a bank account or remove large volumes of cash without creating a HUGE paper trail.

I think the difficulty and cost involved in setting up multiple bank accounts, MtGox accounts, identities is likely to cause problems for Tony.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: i3lazd on May 03, 2012, 09:20 am

did law enforcement get him?

or did he scam a lot of people?

he sent me a weak gram of coke... =/

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: WTF HOLLY on May 03, 2012, 09:42 am

Quote from: jh0000n on May 03, 2012, 06:26 am

Id laugh so hard if tony76 was just some kid that knew a drug dealer and thought of this whole scam..."angel investor" maybe tony was just the middle man selling someone elses shit and then decided to pull this scam and keep some cash for himself...its plausible

I think the "angel investors" he was talking about was all of us......  just a thought

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: simplyanon on May 03, 2012, 09:54 am

Quote from: WTF HOLLY on May 03, 2012, 09:42 am

I think the "angel investors" he was talking about was all of us......  just a thought

This is actually probably true. What a dick. Seriously. I want to cause this man pain.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: gimlet12 on May 03, 2012, 11:26 am

So if i sent btc to t-mart from my SR account that would not be traceable at all, right? I had no idea you could just follow the btc around like that. Very interesting.
Be safe everyone.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 11:29 am

Sorry if I look a bit excited, I'd read a lot about bitcoin and its workflow but it's actually the first time I'm applying this knowledge in the field as I normally tumble my coins and quite rest sure they lose their track. Following T-Mart's is showing me too how easily this thing can be tracked if not properly tumbled along the way.

mntmnwva: The issue is that open market operator to be a known snitch, I would be more rest if he was uploading it unwashed to some other exchange.

gimlet12: No from the MtGox's PoV as SR already tumbled them before.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: sirvice on May 03, 2012, 11:35 am

I don't wish to stink the thread up with unrelated talk, since people here seem fairly intelligent, and i can't read the other thousands of pages.
Has anybody noticed the changes each day to his sr vendor home page?
A few days ago, it was stealth, had the feedback, and the 'recently seen' info. I was also able to fan his vendor page.
Then about 2 days ago, the feedback had gone, if i recall it still had the number of fans and last seen.
Then yesterday, it showed very little, i think only showing 'in stealth, and last seen' but nothing else, and now today it goes directly to send a message with no page existent.
I presume the account has been demoted from vendor status. Has this come up for discussion, my searches on the forum found nothing, i found this fairly interesting, presumably sr is slowly removing the account, but not publicly talking about it?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: gimlet12 on May 03, 2012, 11:47 am

DaMan- hey thanks for getting back to me bud. I didn't that I should be too worried about that, but boy would I hate to have LE knocking on my door because the guy who robbed me didn't launder his money correctly.
So you want to maybe write a tutorial on how a guy can give his coin a good rinsing? Or maybe I should just read for myself.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: sirvice on May 03, 2012, 11:56 am

oh also one more thing.
I guess it depends on how sr manage the functions, i guess many wallets must be in use. But i would have thought, if you can track bitcoins, the safety of sr is the fact they are tumbled and mixed with everyone elses, coming out as bits and pieces.
But say sr only used 1 sending address only. Once you knew that address, i guess you could find any outbound transactions from sr, trace them to the exchange, and the exchange identify the person.
So it's likely sr uses many wallet/exit addresses. But say they identify say tony because of foolishly working with a third party service, could you not then identify his other bitcoins that came from sr, trace thier address back until you get the sr address, and then watch that address?
I suppose it's hard to identify which of the addresses in the sequence are the sr exit address, but presumably once you know it, you could monitor it, and that given address would be compromised?
My guess is sr has many exit points, and would need to consider discarding the potentially compromised exit addresses? I would also guess this may inherintly give away the sr tumble address nodes too.
I don't know enough about it to say for sure, any comments?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:17 pm

That's a good reason why single purpose markets can't exist, they would be very easy to track down, what makes The Armory a very lousy idea unless it shares the bitcoind with SR. You can get into SR's core but you can't relate who is dealing with who and withdrawing coins out of what, this way LE has an issue of believe to be in a dealer's front door and end up raiding a 13 yo kid's house who was selling e-books.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: 420jordan on May 03, 2012, 02:01 pm

So DaMan how would one ( Tony ) go about cashing out all these coins?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: hikorystick on May 03, 2012, 02:38 pm

The risk of being identified by bitcoin is fairly low if you took any precautions at all (such as moving the money through SR or buying anonymously).
I recommend everybody look into how to buy bitcoins completely anonymously rather than using sites like MtGox. It usually costs a small premium... but it is definitely worth it.

The real risk here is that Tony does something irresponsible, gets busted, and all the addresses that, as far as we know, are still on his computer, are taken by LE.
This seems particularly likely if you put your address in T-Mart.

Still... I am not overly concerned about this. Bastard or not, Tony is obviously both patient and intelligent.
If he is transferring his coins to MtGox he must have good reason to believe they are not traceable - fake identity, contacts at MtGox... whatever.

Pure speculation of course, just my take on the situation.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:45 pm

Quote from: 420jordan on May 03, 2012, 02:01 pm

So DaMan how would one ( Tony ) go about cashing out all these coins?

That could had been the problem. Tony sold too much in a short time for current size of the bitcoin economy, at one of his wallets around 60K bitcoins rolled there, seams to be used from sometime so this 60k isn't of scams only, so at some point he came to realize that cash it out would be in mid-term an impossible task, he needs a network of distributors who pays him some other way, LR, WU and so on in order to be able to cash out such amounts and still be able to have money to restock.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 03:15 pm

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:45 pm

Quote from: 420jordan on May 03, 2012, 02:01 pm

So DaMan how would one ( Tony ) go about cashing out all these coins?

That could had been the problem. Tony sold too much in a short time for current size of the bitcoin economy, at one of his wallets around 60K bitcoins rolled there, seams to be used from sometime so this 60k isn't of scams only, so at some point he came to realize that cash it out would be in mid-term an impossible task, he needs a network of distributors who pays him some other way, LR, WU and so on in order to be able to cash out such amounts and still be able to have money to restock.

I agree with you to a certain extent on this and if he only knows that sort of method (which, from the fact he didn't wash his coins may be a safe guess) but there are much faster ways than this. If he played his hand and had a decent enough amount of knowledge he could exchange 1000BTC every 2-3 days but ONLY if he knew the theory + was savvy enough to put it into practice.

As I said though, given that you managed to track him and watch his movements it would be reasonable to think he ain't savvy. Involves more thought than what he has put into it.

Also if he did use the system you suggested above DaMan it's so weak there is a high possibility he would get nicked. All it takes is for one minion to get clocked and roll and then his whole set up is fucked.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: teepls on May 03, 2012, 04:22 pm

wouldn't something like this work for transferring BTC into cash?

http://www.bitcoinexchange.cc/sell.html

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 04:32 pm

Quote from: teepls on May 03, 2012, 04:22 pm

wouldn't something like this work for transferring BTC into cash?

http://www.bitcoinexchange.cc/sell.html

Yes but it's not as cut-and-dry as that if you want to trade large amounts without suspicion.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 04:54 pm

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 04:32 pm

Quote from: teepls on May 03, 2012, 04:22 pm

wouldn't something like this work for transferring BTC into cash?

http://www.bitcoinexchange.cc/sell.html

Yes but it's not as cut-and-dry as that if you want to trade large amounts without suspicion.

That's what I thought, dealing with anything over $1000 is reported if its done in a single transaction (especially multiple times). I believe even the Cash->BTC vendors have to report large amounts.
What IF the "insider" at Mt.Gox was already on this forum and NOW knew explicitly to track large sums of BTC flooding the market, especially from one individual...   :o

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 04:59 pm

Quote from: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 04:54 pm

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 04:32 pm

Quote from: teepls on May 03, 2012, 04:22 pm

wouldn't something like this work for transferring BTC into cash?

http://www.bitcoinexchange.cc/sell.html

Yes but it's not as cut-and-dry as that if you want to trade large amounts without suspicion.

That's what I thought, dealing with anything over $1000 is reported if its done in a single transaction (especially multiple times). I believe even the Cash->BTC vendors have to report large amounts.
What IF the "insider" at Mt.Gox was already on this forum and NOW knew explicitly to track large sums of BTC flooding the market, especially from one individual...   :o

Lol do you mean you need an insider at Mt. Gox to trade large amounts of BTC? Because you definitely don't.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 05:00 pm

One thing it makes me think of, is just how difficult any law enforcement agency would have not only explaining btc to a prosecuting attorney, and then linking other people to that same btc.  Then have that PA have to explain it to a jury of our peers, where you can show 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that these were *my* btc.  I've only talked to one lawyer, who represents me on an unrelated case, and I tried explaining the whole concept to her, and basically she laughed and said if I *ever* got pinched for this shit, to not say a word, and call her...that it would be a great case to defend.

Again, I spent hours last night, just trying to follow my own bitcoins around, the way DaMan explained, and I've done similar when a block didn't arrive...but this shit is *hard* to explain, even to people who are fairly comfortable on the DarkNet ... imagine a jury with their mouths open....'bitcoins are....say what?'

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: lefthandspinner on May 03, 2012, 05:14 pm

if hes been cashing loads of coins out for 3 months it  wont raise any extra suspicion just coz there t mart coins will it,even though there traceble but mt will be used to his acc trading coins for 3 months already

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 05:51 pm

Quote from: lefthandspinner on May 03, 2012, 05:14 pm

if hes been cashing loads of coins out for 3 months it  wont raise any extra suspicion just coz there t mart coins will it,even though there traceble but mt will be used to his acc trading coins for 3 months already

We're all just guessing, man.  I mean, I've read where mt.gox has aid they' cooperate with authorities in any investigation, etc...but I personally haven't seen any 'credible' evidence that LE gives a rat's ass about Tony or t-mart.  I think some people just kid of *wish* he was in some trouble, but I figure he's just long gone....it's just interesting, seeing the movement of btc, and watching him scatter, and the fact that DaMan took the trouble to not just do it, but to explain it to us, is an added bonus.  I mean, hopefull it'll worry Tony, but I kind of doubt that...he's probably just picking out hawaian shirts and drinking rum drinks right now...

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Dopeboy on May 03, 2012, 05:55 pm

Quote from: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 05:00 pm

this shit is *hard* to explain, even to people who are fairly comfortable on the DarkNet ... imagine a jury with their mouths open....'bitcoins are....say what?'

Did you read the farmer's market indictment? The first few pages were dedicated to explaining what email and the internet were.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: lefthandspinner on May 03, 2012, 06:14 pm

explaining bitcoins to a jury is like explaining DNA ,people on the jury dont know how it works they are just expected to believe if the expert says they have your DNA they have  your  DNA

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: tοny76 on May 03, 2012, 06:19 pm

i already posted in my vendor review thread, but yes i was having cash flow issues.  i guess i'll need to learn more about btc.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: cacoethes on May 03, 2012, 07:51 pm

Quote from: tοny76 on May 03, 2012, 06:19 pm

i already posted in my vendor review thread, but yes i was having cash flow issues.  i guess i'll need to learn more about btc.

Almost, but not quite.  Nice try, though.  If you're gonna impersonate someone online, it takes more than font trickery.  You have to study their personality, too.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Spamalama on May 03, 2012, 08:04 pm

Daaammmmmm! I am truly surprised at the loyalty of some of Tony's fans. I thought his MDMA could not hold a candle to what I get from overseas so I was never intending to purchase, but I did get the following email from him and even set up an account using the private PIN he included. You have to have a certain amount of "trust amongst thieves" to properly keep the SR functional. For this reason of Tony fucking so many here is his private site I received a few weeks ago when he was prepping his departure (you stupid morons who are sympathizing for poor Tony!).............
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are receiving this message, it means that i consider you a loyal customer.

If you are receiving this message, it means that you are formally being invited to a secret marketplace. It is INVITE only and EXCLUSIVELY for my best customers.

This serves 3 purposes.

1.) In the event that SR ever goes down, you will have a way to reach me and order from me
2.) You will be offered lower prices than what everyone else pays due to you being a loyal customer. That way you get a better deal, and new customers don't feel ripped off knowing they are paying more for the same product. You've earned the lower prices.
3.) I simply can not afford to pay SR commissions on the LSD and offer it at a reasonable price, so i will only be listing the LSD here.

This market is SECRET, and as such i would appreciate it if you did not talk about it or mention it to anyone.

If you have a friend who you would like to invite to the market, please message me and let me know and i will consider extending them an invite.

Please do not discuss the prices on this market, to anyone on Silk Road.

Also please do not mention anything about this site on Silk Road Private Messages as they are sometimes monitored by site admins.

The website address : http://fvemnf53ie7iwd5c.onion/
Your invitation code: <removed>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess I just burned my loyalty to Tony so those of you that are big fans feel free to take advantage of his trusting ways.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: The Reverand on May 03, 2012, 09:03 pm

Jesus this sounds bad, but thanks Daman, you're the man!  Glad I didn't buy anything on T-mart...but I haven't really bought from Tony in general.  Hopefully he knows enough to not get himself caught.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: GreenGiant on May 03, 2012, 10:41 pm

excuse my ignorance but what is T-mart? was this the private farmers market?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Jimmy245 on May 03, 2012, 10:43 pm

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 03:25 am

Let's hope... Tony is too small for LE to bother..."

To the DEA agents working on the SR case, Tony is a kingpin.  He might as well be Pablo Escobar or El Chapo Guzman.  Tony's business might be peanuts compared to those guys, but he was the biggest on SR at a time when the heat is on and the DEA investigation (which started early last year) is surely in full swing.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 10:45 pm

Nah man it was Tony's private shop. TFM sounds to me like a spun-out version of this place. T-Mart was just a private shop/way to lead the flock astray and rip some people off.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: GreenGiant on May 03, 2012, 10:53 pm

This is all pretty crazy, he must have made off with like 200k of BTC or something.

guess being number 1 vendor does mean jack shit these days!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 10:59 pm

Quote from: lefthandspinner on May 03, 2012, 06:14 pm

explaining bitcoins to a jury is like explaining DNA ,people on the jury dont know how it works they are just expected to believe if the expert says they have your DNA they have  your  DNA

Good point.  I guess we'd have to look at the early days of DNA testing, and subsequent court cases.  I see your point here...but I know most people know they have DNA, know it's 'real.'  While btc is a pretty strange beast.  But so is all money, truth be known.  Try explaining why a dollar's worth...???...what is a dollar worth, and why?  Fuck if I know.   So yeah, would depend on the lawyer, on both sides of the aisle.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 11:08 pm

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 10:45 pm

Nah man it was Tony's private shop. TFM sounds to me like a spun-out version of this place. T-Mart was just a private shop/way to lead the flock astray and rip some people off.

I wonder if someone would have posted on here that he emailed and setup "shop" outside of SR, IF it would have curbed some of the scamming.  ???
OR at least warn others that something seems fishy...

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 11:22 pm

Quote from: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 11:08 pm

I wonder if someone would have posted on here that he emailed and setup "shop" outside of SR, IF it would have curbed some of the scamming.  ???
OR at least warn others that something seems fishy...

I don't think it would have been possible.  You have to remember, when we were receiving the t-mart invites, we were still viewing Tony as a great vendor, and it would have seemed to be cutting our own throats to have done this...he sent them--it appears--only to people who had previous 'buy's with Tony, and so we saw it as just a way for him to want to bypass giving SR their cut.  Even in the first days of 'suspicion' I don't think anybody wanted to post our T-mart invites, as it would have pissed off Tony, and at that point, most people still seemed to think he was golden.

Also, I noticed that the first guy to post his T-Mart invite, over the weekend, did it with a fake/new username.  He bitched at the rest of us for not doing it, but he didn't have the cojones to do it under his original username either, so it wasn't all that brave...eventually, several people posted it...kind of old hat, now...

He sent it to me, after 2nd order, when I said I didn't like finalizing early, and he said no problem, just to ignore the FE notice, 'brother', and that he sent it to everybody, but I could disregard, then he sent invite...and on T-Mart there is no escrow at all, so he got me good...plus, it was only a one-way street for btc...a fairly primitive site, compared to this one....

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Jimmy245 on May 04, 2012, 12:41 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:25 am

OMFG!!!! Tony is sending unwashed coins to MtGox! Fucking shit, if you read this: contact your "pal" he may help you, or you fucked him too? If you did, try to find somebody else with enough knowledge about bitcoins.
I rather not see another transaction to MtGox out of that dirty stash! You'll end up FUCKING everybody yourself included,  the coins are popping at MtGox's green address.  >:(
And no, roll coins for 1000 addresses (man, do you've a life? My finger hurts out of so many clicks to follow those 5k you're trying to wash) doesn't help.

So, DaMan, if your analysis is correct, then tony76 or his organization now will be identifiable to LE through MtGox?  Do I understand you right?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 12:42 am

Quote from: Jimmy245 on May 04, 2012, 12:41 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 02:25 am

OMFG!!!! Tony is sending unwashed coins to MtGox! Fucking shit, if you read this: contact your "pal" he may help you, or you fucked him too? If you did, try to find somebody else with enough knowledge about bitcoins.
I rather not see another transaction to MtGox out of that dirty stash! You'll end up FUCKING everybody yourself included,  the coins are popping at MtGox's green address.  >:(
And no, roll coins for 1000 addresses (man, do you've a life? My finger hurts out of so many clicks to follow those 5k you're trying to wash) doesn't help.

So, DaMan, if your analysis is correct, then tony76 or his organization now will be identifiable to LE through MtGox?  Do I understand you right?

Indeed he be Jimmy245 indeeeed heeee beeee.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 12:47 am

Quote from: QTC on May 04, 2012, 12:44 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 10:45 pm

Nah man it was Tony's private shop. TFM sounds to me like a spun-out version of this place. T-Mart was just a private shop/way to lead the flock astray and rip some people off.

Farmer's Market had been around in some capacity since the late 90s. So why do you think it's a spinoff of SR? :-p

I don't think it was a spin off matey, I know it's older than this place lol.

I just think it's a spun-out version because it's of the fact they accepted WU/PP and all sorts of other bullshit lol.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: simplyanon on May 04, 2012, 12:54 am

Quote from: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 12:47 am

I don't think it was a spin off matey, I know it's older than this place lol.

I just think it's a spun-out version because it's of the fact they accepted WU/PP and all sorts of other bullshit lol.

+1

"I'm gonna send you cash for meth via a payment method that I have linked to personal credit cards and bank accounts. Oh, and I'm not gonna encrypt anything. At all. Ever."

They might as well have just wrote all their info down in a nice tidy list and gave it to the DEA.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 12:59 am

Quote from: QTC on May 04, 2012, 12:52 am

Got you. Stupid British-American language barrier. :-p

Haha no worries.

And yeah SimplyAnon you are spot on.

Has anyone seen the film Bruno when he launches his dick up the midgets ass? Might have been the other way round, can't remember to be honest.

Anyway the point is, the DEA was the cock that was being launched and TFM was the ass. End of story.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: MasterMinja on May 04, 2012, 01:24 am

I hate these people who say the tony site was a major red flag, which looking back on it, it was. But if at that moment you thought that tony was leaving, why wouldnt you tell anyone?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 01:28 am

Quote from: MasterMinja on May 04, 2012, 01:24 am

I hate these people who say the tony site was a major red flag, which looking back on it, it was. But if at that moment you thought that tony was leaving, why wouldnt you tell anyone?

My analogy for this would be that Tony's site was like being given a milkshake that turned out to be a dick in the ass.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 01:44 am

Quote from: raven92 on May 03, 2012, 12:48 am

Quote from: DaMan on May 03, 2012, 12:24 am

eeee, stop being childish, man! Most of Tony's customers were resellers. You don't buy 1oz of H to IV yourself or 1 sheet of LSD to trip alone, if he goes down then many of those will go along. Yes, Tony would get to jail as a payment for scamming, but for those others they would end up in jail and being scammed. So GTFO with LE.

A lot of people order a sheet for their headstash to keep, and you can use a oz of H by yourself no problem. Its just not a weekend dose, but then again most people on here are semi regular users.

This

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: The Art of Scamming on May 04, 2012, 02:00 am

Quote from: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 11:22 pm

Quote from: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 11:08 pm

I wonder if someone would have posted on here that he emailed and setup "shop" outside of SR, IF it would have curbed some of the scamming.  ???
OR at least warn others that something seems fishy...

I don't think it would have been possible.  You have to remember, when we were receiving the t-mart invites, we were still viewing Tony as a great vendor, and it would have seemed to be cutting our own throats to have done this...he sent them--it appears--only to people who had previous 'buy's with Tony, and so we saw it as just a way for him to want to bypass giving SR their cut.  Even in the first days of 'suspicion' I don't think anybody wanted to post our T-mart invites, as it would have pissed off Tony, and at that point, most people still seemed to think he was golden.

Also, I noticed that the first guy to post his T-Mart invite, over the weekend, did it with a fake/new username.  He bitched at the rest of us for not doing it, but he didn't have the cojones to do it under his original username either, so it wasn't all that brave...eventually, several people posted it...kind of old hat, now...

He sent it to me, after 2nd order, when I said I didn't like finalizing early, and he said no problem, just to ignore the FE notice, 'brother', and that he sent it to everybody, but I could disregard, then he sent invite...and on T-Mart there is no escrow at all, so he got me good...plus, it was only a one-way street for btc...a fairly primitive site, compared to this one....

me thinks there is a misunderstanding, mate.  i was surprised only that everyone had kept the invite under such tight wraps until then- in spite of the the growing feelings of unease- to include me, myself, and i.

a perfect example of the  lopsided influence of group think/pack mentality.  and also the reason i chose a dummy account; for honestly, i had not the heart to defend my character in the face of the "everyone attack the accuser" mentality that is so common on message forums.

these sentiments may have been lost in the sarcasm of my intitial posts, but never would i be such a hypocrite as to take a jab at someone else for something i myself had not the "cojones" to endure.  sock puppet accts are hardly a novel idea in these here parts.

in other words, i felt like it was time to bring tmart out in the open for discussion, but i didn't feel like dealing with the fucking bullshit of the fallout.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 02:09 am

Quote from: The Art of Scamming on May 04, 2012, 02:00 am

Quote from: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 11:22 pm

Quote from: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 11:08 pm

I wonder if someone would have posted on here that he emailed and setup "shop" outside of SR, IF it would have curbed some of the scamming.  ???
OR at least warn others that something seems fishy...

I don't think it would have been possible.  You have to remember, when we were receiving the t-mart invites, we were still viewing Tony as a great vendor, and it would have seemed to be cutting our own throats to have done this...he sent them--it appears--only to people who had previous 'buy's with Tony, and so we saw it as just a way for him to want to bypass giving SR their cut.  Even in the first days of 'suspicion' I don't think anybody wanted to post our T-mart invites, as it would have pissed off Tony, and at that point, most people still seemed to think he was golden.

Also, I noticed that the first guy to post his T-Mart invite, over the weekend, did it with a fake/new username.  He bitched at the rest of us for not doing it, but he didn't have the cojones to do it under his original username either, so it wasn't all that brave...eventually, several people posted it...kind of old hat, now...

He sent it to me, after 2nd order, when I said I didn't like finalizing early, and he said no problem, just to ignore the FE notice, 'brother', and that he sent it to everybody, but I could disregard, then he sent invite...and on T-Mart there is no escrow at all, so he got me good...plus, it was only a one-way street for btc...a fairly primitive site, compared to this one....

me thinks there is a misunderstanding, mate.  i was surprised only that everyone had kept the invite under such tight wraps until then- in spite of the the growing feelings of unease- to include me, myself, and i.

a perfect example of the  lopsided influence of group think/pack mentality.  and also the reason i chose a dummy account; for honestly, i had not the heart to defend my character in the face of the "everyone attack the accuser" mentality that is so common on message forums.

these sentiments may have been lost in the sarcasm of my intitial posts, but never would i be such a hypocrite as to take a jab at someone else for something i myself had not the "cojones" to endure.  sock puppet accts are hardly a novel idea in these here parts.

in other words, i felt like it was time to bring tmart out in the open for discussion, but i didn't feel like dealing with the fucking bullshit of the fallout.

I got that from you in the beginning. You weren't obnoxious with your new puppet like so many were in the days Tonygate 2012. I can see your point.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: mdmamail on May 04, 2012, 02:10 am

He could've also cashed them somewhere without using bitfog and you could theoretically be following some guy on #bitcoin-otc who's a heavy trader while Tony already has his bank wire to Panama or whatever he was using. Keefe could cash that amount.

There are people who move $100k+ on mtgox in a single dump happens occaisonally. They always end up on support forums crying their transfer is being delayed lol. I would imagine he would just move the coins to cold storage and slowly bitfog and cash in mail them out as needed. 25-30,000 bitcoin scam wow

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: waffleking on May 04, 2012, 02:25 am

wow, this was a fantastic thread!

glad to see most of us have gone from denial to anger and now moved onto acceptance.

plus i learned a ton about btc.  thanks for that sleuthing, dman!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: oldschoolclubkid on May 04, 2012, 03:18 am

great thread guys

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: The Art of Scamming on May 04, 2012, 03:46 am

Quote from: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 02:09 am

I got that from you in the beginning. You weren't obnoxious with your new puppet like so many were in the days Tonygate 2012. I can see your point.

thanks for that, mate.  no, the sock puppet was never intended to be obnoxious, nor to troll threads & stir up the bees. i shouldn't have been as scathingly sarcastic is i was in that thread, but tbh, i felt like my trust had been abused, fuck it, my FEELINGS were actually hurt, yes, on an anonymous fucking message board, and the sarcasm was a defense mechanism of sorts for feeling vulnerable.

time to retire the account, me thinks.  it served its purpose, but otherwise feels dishonest to continue posting under under a moniker that isn't really *me*.  i'm sorry to have derailed such and excellent & revealing thread.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: raven92 on May 04, 2012, 03:54 am

Just a thought, lets say tony was actually busted (not saying he was).

It seems odd they would just let that ammount of BTC sit there, don't they confiscate money, wouldnt BTC be the same? Whats the thought on what/how the authorties would handle BTC from a seizure/bust?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: oldschoolclubkid on May 04, 2012, 03:57 am

Quote from: raven92 on May 04, 2012, 03:54 am

Just a thought, lets say tony was actually busted (not saying he was).

It seems odd they would just let that ammount of BTC sit there, don't they confiscate money, wouldnt BTC be the same? Whats the thought on what/how the authorties would handle BTC from a seizure/bust?

it may take them a bit to figure out how to seize them

on a side note what everyone's thoughts on the ties of tony and obamagirl, he did call her out as being a scammer just before he himself went rouge?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: philter3 on May 04, 2012, 04:39 am

What if Tony were that Lucy chick he "bitchsmacked" by starting his 4/20 sale early?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Antonio76 on May 04, 2012, 05:19 am

tony you whore!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 05:30 am

Tony76 didn't get pinched, but I bet he'll get made for this or at least be put in better favor with his bosses.

look at it this way, the boulders of herion coke and molly that this guy had comes with strings.  he's got another scumbag above him who knows he's selling more than the usual amount of dope and wants to get his beak a little wetter.  they come up with a scam that'll get him a nice score and his boss a fat bonus.

tony goes back to his usual business of getting the city of vancouver zombified on junk and sits around for a while until he needs to rob someone else.

the word "mafia" comes with a lot of implications....but i'd say its certain this was the work of the low to mid level organized crime (was low, now might be mid)

so stop imagining some friendly old high school chum who happens to have kilos of heroin that he's so heroically giving us the privilege to buy.

some of the vendors on here seem really cool, but they ARE NOT heroes.  heroes don't profit off other people, period. the vendors fall into 3 categories (this is north america specific, btw):
1)  weed farmers or people who can go to a store in california to buy weed.
2)  weirdos from the psychedelic cults and a few real mystics selling mind expanders.
3)  scumbags who have access to large amounts of hard dirty drugs

no heroes.  just people trying to get money.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 05:34 am

oh and FYI, if any of you got burnt trying score LSD you should have known better.  never buy LSD from someone who will sell anything....only buy it from people who believe in the power of it.  if you buy it from a place with all that negative karma around (think about all the political stuff behind coke and heroin), then you're basically buying acid that has been soaking in that ugly version of reality for however long.  yuck.

only buy acid from psychedelic cult weirdos

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Antonio76 on May 04, 2012, 05:54 am

is tony's SR page still up?

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: toelessJoe on May 04, 2012, 06:03 am

I am only just now finding that Tony fucked right off with a lot of Buyers money  -  I really have had no time to get caught up on all these threads on the Forum.

I was also busy dealing with that tranny Noriega that "shipped" my order on the 2nd of April that never arrived. I love how he is doing you a favor my refunding 50% of your money?BTC  -  when in all reality, the order never shipped and he collects 50% of your order - make sense?

But this whole Tony thing makes makes me a sad panda.

I bought his first samples when He first arrived at SR and have been a loyal customer ever since that moment. He made #1 before SR changed the way the rate Vendors.

My bet is he was compromised or felt the heat and bailed the fuck out. He had so many personal sales and SR sales that he could of scammed on - sure, I could be wrong, but I think he bailed feeling he had no choice but to lay low for a while - sucks he didn't refund the BTC/money.

But this here, what I am about to quote sums it up perfectly  -  and T, I hope you are reading this, but I doubt he is on SR - until I read some solid evidence that he is back.

BTW - FUCK that tranny Noriega fuck - you guys in the EU need to buy from psi or anyone else - otherwise you are keeping them in business and I consider you a traitor - I don't care that all his coke got through - only his H never showed from 90% of the buyers for the past month - the WD's are just around the corner- yeah !!!

someone wrote ths earlier in this thread and it sums it up just as I would have written it:

"We all know tony is reading this.. he's probably a bit nervous now that some of his trail has been followed by people much smarter then him... but he will never reveal himself because he clearly was a sociopath and a ballsless peice of shit.. probably molested by his step dad and neglected and beaten by his mother. but he's rich now so what the fuck right? tony i/we all trusted u and this is how u reward us and scar SR? the damage u have caused to SR is huge. not to mention that one dude who said he was going to kill himself if he didnt get his order. what if he really did kill himself because he lot alot, was WDing from your "killer" H and couldnt afford anymore and just couldnt take the pain? blood on your hands u fuck.

i hope u enjoy OUR money and bang alot of hookers too.. and i also hope one of the hookers gives u an STD that makes your tiny dick burn like a muthabitch and your nuts have to be removed. haha. Fuck you Tony. I trusted u and stood up for you while others were hating. Seriously, FUCK YOU TONY."

I trusted you Tony, you were unlike any other Vender here. But no you and the whole H Vendors buying section is completely fucked. good times.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Antonio76 on May 04, 2012, 06:11 am

Official i got scammed by tony76 t-shirts now on the road! must finalize early!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:14 am

Quote from: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 05:34 am

oh and FYI, if any of you got burnt trying score LSD you should have known better.  never buy LSD from someone who will sell anything....only buy it from people who believe in the power of it.  if you buy it from a place with all that negative karma around (think about all the political stuff behind coke and heroin), then you're basically buying acid that has been soaking in that ugly version of reality for however long.  yuck.

only buy acid from psychedelic cult weirdos

Excellent point. People dismiss the ability of chemicals to absorb energy, but it happens. I had a PDF on this phenomena. Got hold of it when I used to cook, some chemist posted it and it became an interesting topic for a minute. I may see if I still have it, though I can't remember what it was called or anything. If I do I'll upload to tard's library or Onion Fileshare and link you guys, it's a good read. If you think about it, it's not hard to imagine. Matter is just a form of condensation, energy coalesced. Energy makes up way more of "what is", than does matter. Is it so hard to believe that negative energy can imprint itself upon chemicals? Anyone who has ever even had a passing interest in chemistry has no doubt been struck by how the smallest change in a molecule makes it behave completely different. I don't see it as too much a stretch to believe that energies can imprint themselves on to chemicals.

Even if you don't buy that, you should still get your gear from someone who knows your gear. And with LSD I think it's even more important.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:18 am

Quote from: Antonio76 on May 04, 2012, 06:11 am

Official i got scammed by tony76 t-shirts now on the road! must finalize early!

Lol, you should do this, straight up.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: BoNgOn on May 04, 2012, 09:35 am

Quote from: Antonio76 on May 04, 2012, 06:11 am

Official i got scammed by tony76 t-shirts now on the road! must finalize early!

Funny shit!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: 12345 on May 04, 2012, 10:13 am

Quote from: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 05:34 am

oh and FYI, if any of you got burnt trying score LSD you should have known better.  never buy LSD from someone who will sell anything....only buy it from people who believe in the power of it.  if you buy it from a place with all that negative karma around (think about all the political stuff behind coke and heroin), then you're basically buying acid that has been soaking in that ugly version of reality for however long.  yuck.

only buy acid from psychedelic cult weirdos

=)

QFT

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Limetless on May 04, 2012, 01:06 pm

Quote from: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 05:34 am

oh and FYI, if any of you got burnt trying score LSD you should have known better.  never buy LSD from someone who will sell anything....only buy it from people who believe in the power of it.  if you buy it from a place with all that negative karma around (think about all the political stuff behind coke and heroin), then you're basically buying acid that has been soaking in that ugly version of reality for however long.  yuck.

only buy acid from psychedelic cult weirdos

Lol...never heard so much balls.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: Dipset420 on May 04, 2012, 01:36 pm

Quote from: toelessJoe on May 04, 2012, 06:03 am

I am only just now finding that Tony fucked right off with a lot of Buyers money  -  I really have had no time to get caught up on all these threads on the Forum.

I was also busy dealing with that tranny Noriega that "shipped" my order on the 2nd of April that never arrived. I love how he is doing you a favor my refunding 50% of your money?BTC  -  when in all reality, the order never shipped and he collects 50% of your order - make sense?

But this whole Tony thing makes makes me a sad panda.

I bought his first samples when He first arrived at SR and have been a loyal customer ever since that moment. He made #1 before SR changed the way the rate Vendors.

My bet is he was compromised or felt the heat and bailed the fuck out. He had so many personal sales and SR sales that he could of scammed on - sure, I could be wrong, but I think he bailed feeling he had no choice but to lay low for a while - sucks he didn't refund the BTC/money.

But this here, what I am about to quote sums it up perfectly  -  and T, I hope you are reading this, but I doubt he is on SR - until I read some solid evidence that he is back.

BTW - FUCK that tranny Noriega fuck - you guys in the EU need to buy from psi or anyone else - otherwise you are keeping them in business and I consider you a traitor - I don't care that all his coke got through - only his H never showed from 90% of the buyers for the past month - the WD's are just around the corner- yeah !!!

someone wrote ths earlier in this thread and it sums it up just as I would have written it:

"We all know tony is reading this.. he's probably a bit nervous now that some of his trail has been followed by people much smarter then him... but he will never reveal himself because he clearly was a sociopath and a ballsless peice of shit.. probably molested by his step dad and neglected and beaten by his mother. but he's rich now so what the fuck right? tony i/we all trusted u and this is how u reward us and scar SR? the damage u have caused to SR is huge. not to mention that one dude who said he was going to kill himself if he didnt get his order. what if he really did kill himself because he lot alot, was WDing from your "killer" H and couldnt afford anymore and just couldnt take the pain? blood on your hands u fuck.

i hope u enjoy OUR money and bang alot of hookers too.. and i also hope one of the hookers gives u an STD that makes your tiny dick burn like a muthabitch and your nuts have to be removed. haha. Fuck you Tony. I trusted u and stood up for you while others were hating. Seriously, FUCK YOU TONY."

I trusted you Tony, you were unlike any other Vender here. But no you and the whole H Vendors buying section is completely fucked. good times.

I agree with all of this except if the guy killed himself that its tonys fault.  No fucking way!  we are all responsible for our actions period.  If you purchase on here it is your responsibility that you could get burnt.  Also if you choose to do dope its on you when you get sick.  I'm just sick of people always blaming others for there fuck ups Yea tonys a piece of shit scamming scum bag but suck it up and learn a lesson (kill your self) Its fucking pathetic how weak kids are now a days.
On a lighter note good luck to the dude with the problems, get your ass clean and go see a shrink asap.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: DaMan on May 04, 2012, 02:06 pm

An user sent me a PM in order to help on wash coins, so I wrote a small guide on this issue to him and though it would be good to share it with the community:

Quote

To wash coins you need to stir them with someone else's coins, SR does this already, thus you'll be getting coins used with SR. A while ago this was done by uploading them to an e-wallet, but since MyBitcoin scam that becomes too risky, I'd lost some coins there too.
The alternative now is to diversify the places taken by the ones you're more or less comfortable with, like upload a chunk (don't ever upload your whole money anywhere as any of those sites can vanish in the wind at any moment, SR included) to MtGox, another to Virwox, another to bitcoin.de, etc, NOT use this first loop for actually trade and use fake accounts.
Like this: you create a fake account at Virwox, upload 50 btc (vary about MtGox as with big sums they might force you to identify yourself and you can't access it from Tor), shortly after you withdraw like 40 btc to MtGox from that account, so MtGox will be receiving 40 btc from Virwox which are already different coins from the ones you sent there before. Get the picture? You need to swap coins in order to get them exchanged for someone else's coins before can cash them out to a bank account or something linked to you IRL.
Another option would be to use green dot visa cards, but again be careful when withdrawing, don't go always to the same machine, as ATM's takes pictures of those using them.

You may need to check whether the service you're using to swap coins as a tumbler or not, to do this: upload 10 btc there and note the address you used, wait a while and withdraw those coins, note the address you withdraw them to. Go to blockexplorer.com and check for the entry address, follow the coins to where they had been sent, if the same 10 btc shows in your exit address then the site isn't tumbling, otherwise it is.

Also it's important to be a bit creative here, not use always the same method, number of loops or sources used. The more random it gets the better.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: spacewasp on May 04, 2012, 03:56 pm

Quote from: Dipset420 on May 04, 2012, 01:36 pm

Quote from: toelessJoe on May 04, 2012, 06:03 am

I am only just now finding that Tony fucked right off with a lot of Buyers money  -  I really have had no time to get caught up on all these threads on the Forum.

I was also busy dealing with that tranny Noriega that "shipped" my order on the 2nd of April that never arrived. I love how he is doing you a favor my refunding 50% of your money?BTC  -  when in all reality, the order never shipped and he collects 50% of your order - make sense?

But this whole Tony thing makes makes me a sad panda.

I bought his first samples when He first arrived at SR and have been a loyal customer ever since that moment. He made #1 before SR changed the way the rate Vendors.

My bet is he was compromised or felt the heat and bailed the fuck out. He had so many personal sales and SR sales that he could of scammed on - sure, I could be wrong, but I think he bailed feeling he had no choice but to lay low for a while - sucks he didn't refund the BTC/money.

But this here, what I am about to quote sums it up perfectly  -  and T, I hope you are reading this, but I doubt he is on SR - until I read some solid evidence that he is back.

BTW - FUCK that tranny Noriega fuck - you guys in the EU need to buy from psi or anyone else - otherwise you are keeping them in business and I consider you a traitor - I don't care that all his coke got through - only his H never showed from 90% of the buyers for the past month - the WD's are just around the corner- yeah !!!

someone wrote ths earlier in this thread and it sums it up just as I would have written it:

"We all know tony is reading this.. he's probably a bit nervous now that some of his trail has been followed by people much smarter then him... but he will never reveal himself because he clearly was a sociopath and a ballsless peice of shit.. probably molested by his step dad and neglected and beaten by his mother. but he's rich now so what the fuck right? tony i/we all trusted u and this is how u reward us and scar SR? the damage u have caused to SR is huge. not to mention that one dude who said he was going to kill himself if he didnt get his order. what if he really did kill himself because he lot alot, was WDing from your "killer" H and couldnt afford anymore and just couldnt take the pain? blood on your hands u fuck.

i hope u enjoy OUR money and bang alot of hookers too.. and i also hope one of the hookers gives u an STD that makes your tiny dick burn like a muthabitch and your nuts have to be removed. haha. Fuck you Tony. I trusted u and stood up for you while others were hating. Seriously, FUCK YOU TONY."

I trusted you Tony, you were unlike any other Vender here. But no you and the whole H Vendors buying section is completely fucked. good times.

I agree with all of this except if the guy killed himself that its tonys fault.  No fucking way!  we are all responsible for our actions period.  If you purchase on here it is your responsibility that you could get burnt.  Also if you choose to do dope its on you when you get sick.  I'm just sick of people always blaming others for there fuck ups Yea tonys a piece of shit scamming scum bag but suck it up and learn a lesson (kill your self) Its fucking pathetic how weak kids are now a days.
On a lighter note good luck to the dude with the problems, get your ass clean and go see a shrink asap.

agreed....heroin seems to have this natual karmic balance where the person feels really awesome for a little while and then really awful for a while.  you can't know highs without the lows.

if you want to avoid this then DON'T DO HEROIN.  hanging around this forum you can start to feel like its a normal no big deal thing to do some H now and then, but that shit will absolutely 100% catch up with you.  its bad shit, man....maybe the worst.

get some therapy or an Ibogaine session or something and then get off the junk.  You CAN do it.  you're an immortal warrior; nothing can overpower you.

I really hope that in this terrible situation someone out there tuns it into something positive for themselves.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: photon on May 04, 2012, 04:12 pm

Thanks DaMan! I've learned a lot about how BTC move around and the block chain thanks to this discussion. Sucks about Tony, I wasn't involved with him fortunately, but at least this thread had something interesting to learn in it. I'll certainly try to be more careful of how I move coins around now from accounts that are linked to my real name.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: phubaiblues on May 05, 2012, 03:13 am

Quote from: The Art of Scamming on May 04, 2012, 02:00 am

me thinks there is a misunderstanding, mate.  i was surprised only that everyone had kept the invite under such tight wraps until then- in spite of the the growing feelings of unease- to include me, myself, and i.

a perfect example of the  lopsided influence of group think/pack mentality.  and also the reason i chose a dummy account; for honestly, i had not the heart to defend my character in the face of the "everyone attack the accuser" mentality that is so common on message forums.

these sentiments may have been lost in the sarcasm of my intitial posts, but never would i be such a hypocrite as to take a jab at someone else for something i myself had not the "cojones" to endure.  sock puppet accts are hardly a novel idea in these here parts.

in other words, i felt like it was time to bring tmart out in the open for discussion, but i didn't feel like dealing with the fucking bullshit of the fallout.

Yeah, I totally see your point, and I appreciate the candor, as most of us, IMO, were afraid to say anything, for just what you post here, and also, u know, fuck, if my shit came in the next day, I'd have 'outed' a good vendor unnecessarily.  For the longest time, *anybody* who questioned Tony's shipping, or arrival time, was savagely attacked, and god help'em if they were new....so yeah, I realized that the first person to publicly out tony did it with a fake name, but since I'd just posted that there was some weirdness about tony that I didn't want talk about on open forum, and one of the new 'i hate scammers'  posters, took a swipe at me in the process for my lack of courage, I was kind of irked that he had to use a fake name, to tell me *I* wasn't doing enough...

And I know now, there were several 'temporary' usernames, and it was hard to tell one from the other.  I did appreciate the first post about t-mart...but the first anonymous username, just took a shot at me for not posting enough, and I think I got to confusing you all....:)

So anyway, kind of a work in progress, I"m glad it all came out, however it came out...

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: satripper on May 07, 2012, 08:11 pm

This Tony76 business gives me chills when I think how about a month ago on another forum he basically proposed to everyone there that he would be able to sell sheets for 400 a pop if members there would explain to him the most effective way to turn high volumes of coins into usable cash anonymously.

He said that if he was unable to get better prices because his supplier didnt take bitcoin, so by not being able to cash out large volumes fast enough, he was unable to get better prices....BUT, if someone was able to school him in a method to do this properly, he would have no problem getting sheets at a better price, and would be able to offer them on the forum for 400 a sheet.

In hindsight.......he was probably just fishing for methods to convert coins into cash.

I am so bleak about him going scammer.....

Another warning sign I should have taken note of on the other site....guys there said it was very odd for him to be selling other drugs like heroin and coke....they didnt think he was a scammer or anything, a few people just posted that it was very odd.

From now on.....I will only get L from acid heads!

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: QTC on May 07, 2012, 08:19 pm

He also wanted to import bulk safrole, bulk ergotamine tartarate, bulk acetic anhydride, and all sorts of other interesting stuff. He asked how to synth mdma and raw lsd xtal too which I thought was kinda weird. I guess he wasn't too happy when he was told to go read some chemistry textbooks and try some Fisher-Price My First Synths like mda and 2cb from 2ch.

Should have seen a rip and run while he moved up in the hierarchy coming. :-(

Also agree with you and everybody else about how fucked up it is to be mixing acid with meth, h, etc.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: lvlbrained on May 07, 2012, 08:40 pm

I've been scammed 3 times on sr, all 3 times were reputable vendors on their way out. sellers rip and run. its just what they do. it happens in real life too, buyers decide they arent going to use a seller anymore so they get a big front and never go back. Its just something that is going to happen. i dont think tony was planning to scam and i dont think it was a long con. i was lucky and only got taken for 200 by tony, normally it would have been 800 but i was low on funds. But still i feel i got my value out of him for the months of great service i got. he was great when it came to selling. was amazing he could get all those orders out so fast. I never had a problem with him.

I dont know what the fuck that suicide thing was about but its retarded, dude was buying heroin probably internationally in the mail and was going to kill himself if an order didnt show. what if a package got seized or misplaced. thats just stupid.

I'm lucky and feel i got my value from tony, i'm sure others dont. but we should remember the good times. hopefully we will get good new vendors and we can only hope they are as good as tony was during the good times.

Title: Re: Tony76 - yellow flag

Post by: satripper on May 07, 2012, 09:20 pm

@QTC yeah, I forgot about that, he was really really interested in wanting to synth mdma....he offered to pay for information and wanted someone with experience to basically teach him all the steps if I remember correctly.....

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