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CodoneCowboy

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Feds may be pursuing buyers

« on: October 14, 2013, 09:01:23 pm »

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Sorry for the scary title, but I recently learned of something that I thought I'd share with you guys. I also posted this over at the old forum.

A friend of mine in the North Eastern U.S. just received a letter in the mail, allegedly from a heroin vendor from which she made a purchase just a couple days before S.R. went down. She did receive her product safely. She and I are both rather sketched out, since we heard that a few NY-based heroin vendors had been busted, and this was a NY-based vendor. She had only placed one order ever on Silk Road, and it was from this guy. I should also note that, against my advice, she did *not* use PGP to encrypt her address.

The letter basically referred vaguely to the fall of Silk Road and provided an email address for her to contact if she wants a "grieving gift" and to get reconnected.

We're concerned that it could be a cop attempting to bust her. I guess it could also be the vendor legitimately trying to find more customers, but why wouldn't he just set up shop on BMR or Sheep? And in any case, vendors are supposed to delete customer's address info after shipping. The fact that this person did not do so is super sketchy.

I remember reading a thread on the forums about someone having a similar experience recently, which I'm trying to find. Meanwhile, any advice for her besides to ignore the letter?

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Fluffhead!

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 09:55:34 pm »

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Chances of them going after a buyer internationally who only made one purchase ever are slim to none. She should dispose of the letter and if anything happens act completely clueless.

I read from a very popular (top 4%) cannabis vendor that only about 30% of people pgp encrypted their addresses, and even now after moving to bmr and all of this shit has hit the fan, he had twenty pending orders and only 10 of them encrypted their addresses.

I would think in your friend's scenario the worst thing that could happen is future packages being flagged. Tell her to not use the address anymore and she should be fine.

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CodoneCowboy

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 09:58:15 pm »

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It's not international. She lives in the U.S. and ordered from a U.S.-based vendor that only lives about an hour or so from her.

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Fluffhead!

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 10:06:37 pm »

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I still wouldn't worry about it too much. Tell her to keep a clean house if she wants to and to keep an eye out for buyers to start getting busted.  At this point if they start going after buyers they will start from the top.

If you haven't noticed they are doing the same with site admins (Ross) and top 1% vendors.

Even if they had intercepted a small amount of H in the mail she probably would've just received a love letter and been blacklisted with USPS

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 10:49:29 pm »

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There was also one smack vendor from ny using click n ship.  I almost wanted to hunt them down n strangle them.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 11:12:34 pm »

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 04:10:26 am »

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Quote from: CodoneCowboy on October 14, 2013, 09:01:23 pm

She and I are both rather sketched out, since we heard that a few NY-based heroin vendors had been busted, and this was a NY-based vendor.

I thought it was just one? http://poststar.com/news/local/police-queensbury-shop-owner-bought-drugs-on-silk-road-website/article_8f45d126-0c1f-11e3-a590-001a4bcf887a.html "Police: Queensbury shop owner bought drugs on Silk Road website"

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 05:22:03 am »

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Quote from: Fluffhead! on October 14, 2013, 10:06:37 pm

Even if they had intercepted a small amount of H in the mail she probably would've just received a love letter and been blacklisted with USPS

You really don't know what you are talking about.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 07:21:06 pm »

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so is it true i might expect a visit

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 09:02:34 pm »

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You should ALWAYS expect a visit, even when being 99% secure(not sure there is a way to be 100% anymore). I always expect the worst when it comes to this stuff...and the way I look at it if I can't afford to flush the money I've used on this site down the toilet, I shouldn't be on here in the first place.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 09:11:49 pm »

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Chances are the OP's vendor is just desperate to get his operation going again, kept lists of addresses (hopefully an encrypted list at least) and is recklessly contacting buyers.

Small chance it's LE but I suppose it's possible. Either way if she's a one-time buyer then clean up anything on the computer, though actually if she's any kind of regular smack user I'm sure there's more incriminating stuff around than the machine.

This isn't risk-free for anyone and believing otherwise is just burying your head in the sand. That said, risk is proportional to the amount of product involved, and reduced by your own good security habits.

Caution is useful but paranoia isn't.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 10:14:31 pm »

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Quote from: gwern on October 15, 2013, 04:10:26 am

Quote from: CodoneCowboy on October 14, 2013, 09:01:23 pm

She and I are both rather sketched out, since we heard that a few NY-based heroin vendors had been busted, and this was a NY-based vendor.

I thought it was just one? http://poststar.com/news/local/police-queensbury-shop-owner-bought-drugs-on-silk-road-website/article_8f45d126-0c1f-11e3-a590-001a4bcf887a.html "Police: Queensbury shop owner bought drugs on Silk Road website"

This guy sold Suboxone to an undercover (it looks like) thus leading local LE to screen his mail.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 11:51:38 pm »

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This guy sold Suboxone to an undercover (it looks like) thus leading local LE to screen his mail.

Sure, but my question was whether anyone else had been arrested.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 02:16:21 am »

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Cross-posting from the thread Friend in law enforcement rang me today, putting together large task forces.: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=/doc/darknet-market/sheep-marketplace/none312.msg9262#msg9262

Quote from: Burning Babylon on October 17, 2013, 12:45:14 am

I have Intel that many Swedish Individuals have been detained particularly this and the previous Week, I do not know how much of it is related specifically to PlutoPete but some of the Vendors busted here have kept Address Lists which have been enough for additional Warrants. I have no Public Source for this and I doubt there will be any for several Months, but they are definitely on the move. I'm warning any Swedish Users reading this to clean house now, these are No Knock Warrants and they've Invested Significant Resources into these Raids.

I'd wager I will be able to Link a Source Confirming my Statements in around two to five Months, but when that time comes it would be quite Pointless to say "I told you so". You are not necessarily safe if you've used PGP if the Vendor in Question saved your Address on a List which appears to be the Case for some Vendors here. I recall the British equivalent to the FBI had 4000 Law Enforcement Officers for the Raids they had done so far, these are probably not sitting around doing nothing but actively working with Law Enforcements around the World. I don't think Sweden is Unique in this Regard but if you want to take your Chances in another Country go ahead.

It's in the End up to the Country in Question how far they will go, Sweden is probably one of the worst Countries on Earth in this regard as they feel it's OK to do warrants based on confirmed amounts ordered of one gram only. Incredible Waste of Money to Conduct these Raids but Sweden will most likely be the last Country to ever Legalize, in the event it happens.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 04:40:11 am »

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I don't know what New York Heroin vendors you're talking about. Maybe some H vendors got busted in NYC but none if them were involved with SR. If they were you can bet that would be all over the news.

Assume the letter is from a cop.

It's also possible that its from the vendor, and they may be either trying to get you to make a non-escrow deal with them and rip you off, or they may actually be trying to legitimately conduct more business with you.

In any case she shouldn't reply or anything. The fact that the vendor held on to her address without her knowing means that he's not a good person to be dealing with.
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Guys here's the deal with the whole "they're going after buyers!" stuff:

Remember to think logically.

There have been only a handful of arrests of Silkroad vendors thus far. The majority of the largest vendors are still free; many of them have relocated to SM and BMR.

If they actually have the addresses of all these buyers and vendors on Silk Road, and have had them for a while, why would they start going after buyers, where their only guaranteed evidence is purchasing history on SR (which, by the way doesn't prove that you bought drugs, only that you attempted to buy them; not a hefty charge associated with that one), when they could be going after all these other vendors, who they can be more confident will be carrying large amounts of drugs?

You can shrug that logic off if you feel otherwise, but at least try and think about it this way:
If all they really need to be able to prosecute you is proof that you attempted to buy drugs on SR, then it doesn't matter what you do. They'll get you if and when they want to, and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you feel safer cleaning house and going drug-free for the forseeable future, power to you. But personally, I'm not gonna stop smoking weed, or living the way I choose out of fear that the cops are going suddenly kick down my and search my apartment. If you do that then they've already won.

« Last Edit: October 17, 2013, 04:52:01 am by ondine »

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jesse james

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 05:32:27 am »

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Quote from: BDA on October 16, 2013, 09:11:49 pm

Chances are the OP's vendor is just desperate to get his operation going again, kept lists of addresses (hopefully an encrypted list at least) and is recklessly contacting buyers.

Small chance it's LE but I suppose it's possible. Either way if she's a one-time buyer then clean up anything on the computer, though actually if she's any kind of regular smack user I'm sure there's more incriminating stuff around than the machine.

This isn't risk-free for anyone and believing otherwise is just burying your head in the sand. That said, risk is proportional to the amount of product involved, and reduced by your own good security habits.

Caution is useful but paranoia isn't.

^this and this:

Quote from: ondine on October 17, 2013, 04:40:11 am

I don't know what New York Heroin vendors you're talking about. Maybe some H vendors got busted in NYC but none if them were involved with SR. If they were you can bet that would be all over the news.

Assume the letter is from a cop.

It's also possible that its from the vendor, and they may be either trying to get you to make a non-escrow deal with them and rip you off, or they may actually be trying to legitimately conduct more business with you.

In any case she shouldn't reply or anything. The fact that the vendor held on to her address without her knowing means that he's not a good person to be dealing with.
____________________________________________________________________
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Guys here's the deal with the whole "they're going after buyers!" stuff:

Remember to think logically.

There have been only a handful of arrests of Silkroad vendors thus far. The majority of the largest vendors are still free; many of them have relocated to SM and BMR.

If they actually have the addresses of all these buyers and vendors on Silk Road, and have had them for a while, why would they start going after buyers, where their only guaranteed evidence is purchasing history on SR (which, by the way doesn't prove that you bought drugs, only that you attempted to buy them; not a hefty charge associated with that one), when they could be going after all these other vendors, who they can be more confident will be carrying large amounts of drugs?

You can shrug that logic off if you feel otherwise, but at least try and think about it this way:
If all they really need to be able to prosecute you is proof that you attempted to buy drugs on SR, then it doesn't matter what you do. They'll get you if and when they want to, and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you feel safer cleaning house and going drug-free for the forseeable future, power to you. But personally, I'm not gonna stop smoking weed, or living the way I choose out of fear that the cops are going suddenly kick down my and search my apartment. If you do that then they've already won.

i can't decided whether it's LE subtly spreading FUD or really clueless but legitimate worriers. amazing.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am »

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Local busts - more than 2, less than 10 local, that were 98%+ probability SR related by time and history in the past several days.
Most of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g [edit: kg] or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I guess that is the bulk rate amount for personal use for those who like to store up. (People are not usually accused with surreptitiously opening a restaurant because they bought soup at Costco in a flat...)

Check your local press releases, police blotters, as well as the pacer system. If you do have a pacer account through school / anonymous / whatever, try to use the RECAP add-on to upload to the common database (unless the security experts on here say otherwise).
The court stuff can be delayed by some days, also sealed, up to weeks/months depending on the situation.
Remember to search by each of the mail terms - express, mail, priority, package, parcel, tracking, et cetera.

Still think they've been mainly building a database for profiling, defining a network, and building a higher-value target set/network, while selecting some higher profile and politically unpopular cases (involving specific drugs, crimes against persons) to go after to appease media/etc.

« Last Edit: October 17, 2013, 04:32:17 pm by Clare »

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2013, 08:08:00 am »

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Quote from: Clare on October 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am

Local busts - more than 2, less than 10 local, that were 98%+ probability SR related by time and history in the past several days.
Most of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I guess that is the bulk rate amount for personal use for those who like to store up. (People are not usually accused with surreptitiously opening a restaurant because they bought soup at Costco in a flat...)

Check your local press releases, police blotters, as well as the pacer system. If you do have a pacer account through school / anonymous / whatever, try to use the RECAP add-on to upload to the common database (unless the security experts on here say otherwise).
The court stuff can be delayed by some days, also sealed, up to weeks/months depending on the situation.
Remember to search by each of the mail terms - express, mail, priority, package, parcel, tracking, et cetera.

Still think they've been mainly building a database for profiling, defining a network, and building a higher-value target set/network, while selecting some higher profile and politically unpopular cases (involving specific drugs, crimes against persons) to go after to appease media/etc.

Are you saying that 0.5g cocaine is an bulk amount?

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2013, 03:35:11 pm »

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Quote from: sirjoss88 on October 17, 2013, 08:08:00 am

Quote from: Clare on October 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am

Local busts - more than 2, less than 10 local, that were 98%+ probability SR related by time and history in the past several days.
Most of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I guess that is the bulk rate amount for personal use for those who like to store up. (People are not usually accused with surreptitiously opening a restaurant because they bought soup at Costco in a flat...)

Check your local press releases, police blotters, as well as the pacer system. If you do have a pacer account through school / anonymous / whatever, try to use the RECAP add-on to upload to the common database (unless the security experts on here say otherwise).
The court stuff can be delayed by some days, also sealed, up to weeks/months depending on the situation.
Remember to search by each of the mail terms - express, mail, priority, package, parcel, tracking, et cetera.

Still think they've been mainly building a database for profiling, defining a network, and building a higher-value target set/network, while selecting some higher profile and politically unpopular cases (involving specific drugs, crimes against persons) to go after to appease media/etc.

Are you saying that 0.5g cocaine is an bulk amount?

Its bulk for 1 line

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm »

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Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, kids.

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2013, 04:29:12 pm »

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Quote from: sirjoss88 on October 17, 2013, 08:08:00 am

Are you saying that 0.5g cocaine is an bulk amount?

Ha, no.
0.5 kg, I didn't proofread. Thanks.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am »

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I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2013, 12:52:05 pm »

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There's a site that continuously updates with new drug-related arrests worldwide. Not sure how they get the info, maybe from media but anyway, there's the odd 'man found with gram of cocaine after traffic stop', but the big busts with lots of people involved are almost all pounds of dope, kilos of coke or smack etc etc. Like in the UK they found 5M worth of heroin in some books and arrested several men. That's likely old-fashioned police work, not silk road. I don't see any recent silk road busts on there. (Granted I only looked real quick).The darknet's a new thing for the police and the courts don't really "get" the idea of doing someone without hardcore physical evidence. It's much harder to prove than their tried and tested method of busting a dealer at dawn and finding a field of weed plants up in the attic and a kilo of coke in a cookie jar along with scales and baggies for example.

Here's the arrests site:

*****Clearnet****  http://drugs.globalincidentmap.com/

I think, although am only guessing, if there were mass silk road busts happening it would have hit the media and there'd be massive scare stories everywhere. Also, it's been a few weeks since SR went down. Surely they'd have coordinated it so they busted everyone they intended to bust simultaneously so they didn't get a chance to clean house/ destroy evidence. They did Pluto pete and nod right around the time they did Ross. And they had had the warrants in place for like 2 weeks so were waiting for them to get Ross first.

What buyers should do now though is think hard about what sloppy mistakes they made in the early days of using SR.

Then rectify those and start afresh when buying on new markets rather than fretting about ifs whats and maybes of SR buyer busts. Worrying doesn't really help you think clearly and thinking clearly and rationally is what you need to be doing now. Use this period before the new SR goes up to learn PGP, plus read up on ways of buying BTC anonymously and tumbling coins. And don't use or say anything online to do with SR/ BMR/Sheep etc that can link you to your real-life identity. People in the old forums - especially "DPR" - said all sorts of things that helped police get a profile of their real life personality. They linked the alleged DPR's Mises institute forum sig to his ramblings in his real-life Linkedin profile for example. Nod, likewise said stuff they're using against him in the vendor forums.

And remember if you DO get arrested to say NOTHING other than asking for a lawyer.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2013, 04:49:16 pm »

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When the Farmers Market went down, I had one of the last orders of one who was arrested. I was on pins and needles wondering if they were going to come after me but nothing ever happened. It was 1/2 oz of weed.

They really don't have the money or manpower to go after buyers.

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 04:56:35 pm »

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Quote from: Clare on October 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am

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Most of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g [edit: kg] or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. ...

That's a light breakfast where I come from

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2013, 07:32:41 pm »

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Quote from: RTRAN on October 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am

I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

There are a lot of bystanders who hear about SR and get curious, think "this is the cool new thing", and don't know the first thing about PGP. I didn't at first, and asking someone to explain PGP to you makes you look pretty retarded.

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2013, 08:14:06 pm »

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Quote from: Sir William Wonka on October 14, 2013, 10:49:29 pm

There was also one smack vendor from ny using click n ship.  I almost wanted to hunt them down n strangle them.

Forgive my ignorance, please, but what is "click and ship'?

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2013, 08:34:29 pm »

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It is an online usps sneding tool where you enter the returnee/sender address on their website and it gives you postage.  Good to see you nightcrawler... wanna gimme some +1 lol

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2013, 08:46:59 pm »

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And the addresses r stored forever and not by the mail covers program but the usps servers.  its not good opsec.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2013, 08:47:30 pm »

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Quote from: Thineownself on October 23, 2013, 07:32:41 pm

Quote from: RTRAN on October 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am

I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

There are a lot of bystanders who hear about SR and get curious, think "this is the cool new thing", and don't know the first thing about PGP. I didn't at first, and asking someone to explain PGP to you makes you look pretty retarded.

Better to look retarded on a Forum such as this, than to wear an orange jumpsuit.

If there is one thing that the events of the last 3-4 months have taught us, it is the need for preparation.  It's like they say in the military: "The more you sweat in training, the less you'll bleed on the battlefield." and "A lack of information can kill you."

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2013, 08:50:23 pm »

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Quote from: Sir William Wonka on October 23, 2013, 08:46:59 pm

And the addresses r stored forever and not by the mail covers program but the usps servers.  its not good opsec.

That's putting it mildly.  Thanks very much for the info.

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
DPR is the poster child for that, right now.

« Last Edit: October 23, 2013, 08:51:02 pm by Nightcrawler »

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2013, 08:54:19 pm »

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It really was putting it rather mildly.  Its outright dangerous to buyers.  Even ones like me who buy tiny amounts.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 09:39:28 am »

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Vendor do stupid thing like this then think all ok when no problems. Take much time for problems to come and make mistake stay there for very long time. Look at DPR situation.

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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2013, 12:07:06 pm »

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You mean there are heroin dealers in New York?

Fuck, and here I was thinking Basketball Diaries was a fictional account of someone's life. Turns out there are junkies everywhere.

Who would've thunk it?

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2013, 01:16:10 am »

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Quote from: murakumo on October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm

Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, kids.

I just realized that saying you bought off of Silk Road is a lot safer than naming your real dealer if the cops are pressing you for information.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2013, 01:20:20 am »

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Quote from: murakumo on October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm

Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, kids.

I just realized that saying you bought off of Silk Road is a lot safer than naming your real dealer if the cops are pressing you for information.

I like the way you are tinking

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« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am »

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why anyone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am »

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Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am

why anyone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in public.

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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2013, 03:33:52 am »

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Quote from: Magic Man on November 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am

Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am

why anyone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in public.

#clueless #YourNotALaywer #lawclass

something tells me if you're selling drugs on darknet you probably aren't a lawyer either

you can find exceptions to any rule but in general not talking to the police without consulting an attorney first is a pretty good idea

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2013, 12:51:07 pm »

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Am I being detained?

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2013, 02:32:45 am »

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Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 03:33:52 am

Quote from: Magic Man on November 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am

Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am

why anyone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in public.

#clueless #YourNotALaywer #lawclass

something tells me if you're selling drugs on darknet you probably aren't a lawyer either

you can find exceptions to any rule but in general not talking to the police without consulting an attorney first is a pretty good idea

You're right about that but I have represented myself on several occasions for minor offenses and have yet to be convicted of anything.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2013, 04:02:39 am »

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Quote from: Magic Man on November 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am

Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am

why anyone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in public.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2013, 04:50:55 am »

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Quote from: CanIHaveSome on November 06, 2013, 01:16:10 am

Quote from: murakumo on October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm

Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, kids.

I just realized that saying you bought off of Silk Road is a lot safer than naming your real dealer if the cops are pressing you for information.

how is it safer, more importantly, how does it do anything positive for you (or anyone else)? it's a lot "safer" saying "i choose to exercise my right to silence and i want to call my lawyer". that should be the only thing said, whether you're caught red-handed or with nothing but your dick in your hands.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2013, 05:42:21 am »

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Quote from: RTRAN on October 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am

I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

I've contacted a few vendors and I use PGP.  None of them have used it to reply to me and I make sure to include my public key.  Some vendors even put in their profile that they wont bother looking at encrypted messages unless they contain sensitive information.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2013, 12:26:26 pm »

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Quote from: REDЯUM on November 06, 2013, 12:51:07 pm

Am I being detained?

Yes, i have your gps location, ive saw you from google maps smokin weed in the park kiddo.

SEriously, its way more dangerous the real life fuckd up cops on the street than gettin chased by internet, i mean, if you are not a big boy, just a customer, all small amounts of drugs, they dont even care about it man, lets say you purchase 5g of sativa, they wont go after you even if they have all the real data of you, its a waste of time, they get more just around the corner...

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers

« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2013, 01:33:11 pm »

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Quote from: kurtvonnegut on November 14, 2013, 05:42:21 am

Quote from: RTRAN on October 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am

I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

I've contacted a few vendors and I use PGP.  None of them have used it to reply to me and I make sure to include my public key.  Some vendors even put in their profile that they wont bother looking at encrypted messages unless they contain sensitive information.

how is a vendor to know there is sensitive information without decrypting first...they just pain fucking lazy and it is stupid to send anything incriminating without encryption.  there needs to be some strict guidelines put in place for members. i mean fuck, it not only your own life at stake but others as well

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« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 03:41:32 am »

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Has there been any recent bust in canada related to SR?

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« Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 07:07:35 am »

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I really do love how the new SR has the option to fully utilize PGP encryption.  Whenever I sign in it ask me to decrypt a message in order to fully access the site.  I think all blackmarket sites should implement this.

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« Reply #48 on: Today at 07:26:54 am »

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Quote from: Fluffhead! on October 14, 2013, 09:55:34 pm

Chances of them going after a buyer internationally who only made one purchase ever are slim to none. She should dispose of the letter and if anything happens act completely clueless.

I read from a very popular (top 4%) cannabis vendor that only about 30% of people pgp encrypted their addresses, and even now after moving to bmr and all of this shit has hit the fan, he had twenty pending orders and only 10 of them encrypted their addresses.

I would think in your friend's scenario the worst thing that could happen is future packages being flagged. Tell her to not use the address anymore and she should be fine.

i am a vendor on Shep and I have sent out over 350 orders. Out of those orders, most (60-70%) use PGP. I cannot stress enough of the importnce of using PGP!! If you use PGP, then even if the site is taken down, they have nothing on you! PGP is for you guys,  the customers safety! I'm trying to help you guys be as safe as posible, but unfortunately, 25-30% o customers are too lazy or cannot figure out PGP.
By the way, if soemone needs help learning PGP, please contact me and i will be happy to help you..(Anything to make the FBI's job harder LOL)

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