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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 02:40 pm

Title: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 02:40 pm

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ermittler-zerschlagen-internationalen-drogenring-a-910221.html#ref=rss

Translated of course.

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 02:40 pm

"International drug ring: Investigators arrest four suspects

DPA Drug trafficking in grand style: envelope with amphetamine The customer ordered on the Internet, the goods were then sent by mail to: narcotics investigators have arrested four suspects who should have acted in a big way with drugs.

Munich - drug trafficking in grand style: Drug investigators of the Bavarian Office of Criminal Investigation (LKA) have smashed an international drug ring. Spokesman According to one authority, investigators arrested four suspects from the Bavarian town of Deggendorf, Berlin and Brandenburg.

In those arrested is accordingly to three men and a woman 24-28 years of age. A 51-year-old Dutch left the officials after his interrogation again. The gang is said to have operated on a large scale drug trafficking on the Internet. According to investigators, the suspects had specialized in the drug trade in the encrypted and inaccessible darknet network. Therefore paid customers with an Internet currency by mail them the drugs were then sent.

Overall, the investigators searched 12 properties in the states of Baden-Württemberg, Berlin, Brandenburg and Bavaria - and found more than 18 kg amphetamine as well as cash, accounts, cars and real estate with a total value of around 700,000 euros safely."

Sounds Sr related to me. Stay on your toes everyone.

I would also like to take this moment to remind everyone that if the police are focusing on SR, they only seem to be after the vendors. Lets not get too comfortable vendors.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: AbuNazir on July 09, 2013, 03:30 pm

Not much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for resale. A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supply chain. Stay safe.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 03:34 pm

Quote from: AbuNazir on July 09, 2013, 03:30 pm

Not much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for resale. A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supply chain. Stay safe.

Agreed. I'm surprised that I was the first to post this news article. Vendors need to keep their ear to the earth for the sound of the beast.

Woop, woop, that's the sound of The police. Woop, woop, that's the sound of the beast

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 09, 2013, 03:37 pm

Uh oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence that last week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged in for 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=....?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: yokes101 on July 09, 2013, 04:55 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 09, 2013, 03:37 pm

Uh oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence that last week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged in for 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=....?

I also noticed that afterhour hasn't been around in a few days! Usually his listing are only down on weekends.
Please don't let it be him, he/she is a great vendor! :O

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: jackofspades on July 09, 2013, 05:42 pm

Lets find out where they went wrong and discuss solutions so that noone else gets busted in the same manner. :)

FUCKLE

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 06:55 pm

Could this be AfterHour? ???  He had kilograms of amphetamine and he did disappear four days ago...  http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/065073bbcb

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: StExo on July 09, 2013, 07:07 pm

Why to launder your cash - so they don't assume it's gained illegally :) They can seize the drugs, but if you launder it right as I do with my clients, then you can prove you earned it legitimately and they can't take it still ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:09 pm

Most definitely Afterhour. And considering he got me for 50 grams of MDMA one time with no reply or reship I could honestly say... meh.

Lol.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:22 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

I employ multiple people in my operations.  It's impossible to distribute at a certain level all by yourself.  You just have to run a tight ship.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:33 pm

Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:22 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

I employ multiple people in my operations.  It's impossible to distribute at a certain level all by yourself.  You just have to run a tight ship.

It sucks but every Walter needs a Jesse or two.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:37 pm

Quote from: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:33 pm

Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:22 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

I employ multiple people in my operations.  It's impossible to distribute at a certain level all by yourself.  You just have to run a tight ship.

It sucks but every Walter needs a Jesse or two.

The last thing Walter needs is a sketchy meth head that brings heat.  Having a Gale or two would be great though. 8)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:53 pm

Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.

8)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Lorimer on July 09, 2013, 08:45 pm

More here:

welt.de/regionales/muenchen/article117869257/Fahnder-zerschlagen-Bitcoin-Drogenring-DarkNet.html

and here:

kleinezeitung.at/nachrichten/chronik/3352090/globaler-drogenring-zerschlagen.story

It's definitely SR.

Quote

The goods were sold on a "Amazon for illegal transactions," the online platform "Silk Road".  On "Silk Road" you can find nearly any illegal product or service for sale. Exceptions, said [police spokesperson Adina] Mircioane, are weapons of mass destruction and assassinations. You only get access via a so-called darknet, an encrypted network, and under the strictest conditions.

It looks as though the investigation started a year ago with a few arrests in Vienna:

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The Viennese had constructed a flourishing e-commerce trade for ecstasy or MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines. In three months he had - working alone - made about 400 transactions through India, Australia and South Africa. Nearly 350 of these could be proved against him. The 25-year-old was convicted.

In the course of this arrest, the investigators also presented extensive evidence, including several computers. In evaluating the data, the investigators came to the suppliers of the Viennese, the Germans who lived in Bavaria.
Three dealers were arrested in Salzburg Vienna parallel to the investigation. Unlike their counterparts, the three Salzburg Viennese purchased their drugs directly from the same Germans and then sold on a large scale.

I'd assume AfterHour's computers will get the same treatment.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: mezzomixtor on July 09, 2013, 09:33 pm

I think the "guy from vienna" that got busted a year ago was "imprint", here is his old thread (last 2 pages they are talking about it)

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7809.msg380134#msg380134

about 2 month ago i checked his profile (after i have read the thread) and i am pretty sure that he has not been online for some time, now i checked his profile again and it says that he was online in June 2013, so i guess LE found out all of his login data

his profile: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=7965

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SouthSquareBiz on July 10, 2013, 05:43 am

Wow...

Humbling.

Trust no one. Own nothing. Control everything.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 09:32 am

Stay strong AH!

I had an open Speed Order with him. I really hope it wasn't already packed and police found it. Very scared atm.

But the newspapers only say that they found his speed, no pills mentioned. I was in talk with him before the weekend and he said that power plant and amnesia had arrived. So police probably didn't find everything.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 09:55 am

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The customer orders goods from a seller, then this usually gets delivered to the post office and awards for reviews.

The payment is done with so-called "BitCoins", a legal principle virtual currency that can be exchanged via online portals into any desired real currency and paid again. By use of this area of ​​the Internet, which is accessible only via an encrypted and anonymous networks, the operators always try to escape any criminal police control.

That sure sounds like Silk Road :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10:09 am

Quote from: yoblack on July 10, 2013, 09:45 am

How exactly where they caught?

They did a deal with someone not using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. Its stated in the official police report.

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/lka/news/presse/aktuell/index.html/181553

I´m pretty sure it is PF who got busted.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Moonfaxx on July 10, 2013, 10:17 am

As it seems the BKA is really horny on shutting this thing down and I feel really unsafe now on placing my first order. Its getting more and more unsafe here in Germany with the SR. In the next months we could see more and more arrests because the police gets more experienced with SR busts and know what to expect of the dealers and the customers. They are very clever and we shouldnt underestimate that. There are tons of vendors who keep their customers information unsafe!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Chip Douglas on July 10, 2013, 10:28 am

Quote from: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:53 pm

Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.

8)

Maybe you think you can, but Jesse's hetero bitch! (jesse talk), Gale on the other hand... was a little light in the loafers. :o

Besides, Jesse was banging Jane, that hot bitch from apartment 2b! ;)

. . .  and we can't forget Wendy! - "How about a Windy/Wendy" - No, Jesse was all man.

That's not to say Skinny Pete wasn't fuckin Badger! :o

(LOL @ this whole sidebar)

As far as the German busts go? - I only have one thing to say. Dummkopfs!

-Chip

PS.  Also Jesse doesn't keep a 'journal' ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 10:31 am

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They did a deal with someone not using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. Its stated in the official police report.

Where? I didn't find this anywhere in this article mentioned, although I know AH  has on his profiles that "payments can be made on other ways also!"

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10:38 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 10:31 am

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They did a deal with someone not using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. Its stated in the official police report.

Where? I didn't find this anywhere in this article mentioned, although I know AH  has on his profiles that "payments can be made on other ways also!"

Sorry i did read something wrong in the articel and misinterpreted it, but i still guess that they caught him this way as this is the way how police usually busts people on the inet.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Captainobvius on July 10, 2013, 10:54 am

The Polish and Russian control the German underworld.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: uhrwerk on July 10, 2013, 10:57 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10:09 am

Quote from: yoblack on July 10, 2013, 09:45 am

How exactly where they caught?

They did a deal with someone not using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. Its stated in the official police report.

http://www.polizei.bayern.de/lka/news/presse/aktuell/index.html/181553

I´m pretty sure it is PF who got busted.

there is no mentioning of that in the article you provided.
all that is written translates to
"usually, bitcoins and the darknet cover all steps of the criminals to the investigators by anonymisation" ... "not so in this case".
Do you have a deeper knowledge you want to share with us ?
I have received a lot of requests for bulk shipments that want to wire the money to me.
I suspect afterhour should have been clever enough to not accept these offers.
Really wondering what greedy fantasy the police set up to get to him.

edit: sorry-already been mentioned
edit2: Captainobvius- true :)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10:59 am

http://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/globaler-drogenring-zerschlagen/18.562.944

This articel states that he got busted because of data on imprints computer (Alber A. = imprint) and PF wrote many times that he was selling to imprint and made jokes about it. With this and the location of this bust i´m now 100% sure that this is about PF.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 11:15 am

Now AfterHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this become a problem?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11:17 am

Quote from: JohnnyDeal on July 10, 2013, 11:10 am

I'm just astonished how easy PF went about security precautions, if they could easily trace it back to him. To be honest even I knew his idendity.

Yeah PF took his security not very serious, i tried to warn him about this some time ago when he started to become bigger but he answered with some jokes and that it doesnt matter to him if the police busts him, i´m sure he thinks now different :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11:20 am

Quote from: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 11:15 am

Now AfterHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this become a problem?

It looks like DA is continuing PFs buisiness but i would be very cautious dealing with people who are at the top of the police target list. You never know what PF will tell the police and i´m sure he knows enough to destroy this operation completely.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: ItalianMafiaBrussels on July 10, 2013, 11:24 am

alot of speed, silk road, i think AH

My thoughts are with you brother! One week ago i had a little chat with him.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 12:53 pm

I got a message from someone who is not able to post here, that AH is the person who got arrested in Berlin. As i´m 100% sure that PF is the one arrested in Deggendorf this would mean that they busted 2 of the biggest SR vendors at the same time. This would be a very sad day for SR ;(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zapatista36 on July 10, 2013, 01:32 pm

Quote from: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 11:15 am

Now AfterHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this become a problem?

PIECE and any other folks with open orders you gotta assume your delivery address is burned, even if it's already been sent. Like other members have said PF didn't convince others that he took security as seriously as he maybe shoulda done. Clean house, clean PC/laptop and if some fucker comes round asking questions all your obliged to tell LE is name, address and DOB. Then say fuck all. Act surprised if you feel it works. Don't let them in (unlikely they would get a warrant for you based on a single address in very likely another country, by which time you should have nothing incriminating in your home)

And say fuck all.

If you're in EU, article 6 of the ECHR provides for people not to incriminate themselves.  So in case this might be a right you have to exercise SAY FUCK ALL. We all know criminal charges have higher thresholds for proof so use this to your advantage and call a lawyer

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: blauMaus on July 10, 2013, 03:07 pm

I would recommend everyone who had orders at AH or PF to clean their houses.
AH couldn't even write proper English, i doubt he encrypted his machine or made sure old addresses were really deleted.

Besides of this, how could it take !6! days for this thread to appear since the bust?
So for 6 days all people issuing orders on these sellers are in actual danger. The LE could have gained the
passwords for the seller accounts.

I think we as a community should be faster than this...
This goes especially to the sellers:
1. you ABSOLUTELY have to make sure no addresses are kept
2. you need a backup plan for the bust. You need a trusted person who can report into the forum here if you got busted and warn people who had open orders.

As said from zapatista36, if you have your house clean and don't say ANYTHING to the police, there is not enough evidence to get you punished.

peaceloveharmony, do you have more information? It could be very valuable for all of us...

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 03:15 pm

AH's account shows no activity since 5 days, so i really doubt that LE has his password. I canceled my order with him on monday and it was still processing. So he hasn't seen my adress yet right?

After this i ordered with PF but at the time with the new pgp. So i think only DA has my adress and he is responding normally on my questions. Hope im fine.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: blauMaus on July 10, 2013, 03:21 pm

I think SR staff should intervene and at least temporarily block the accounts of the suspected vendors.
It is still possible that they give out PWs while being questioned by LE.

All in all, i am wondering whether it makes sense for a vendor to keep a list of buyers, he could offer
it to LE in a deal... But on the other side, it is then evident that he had this lot of customers so bad for him again.
If i got it right from the news articles, then LE could prove 350 trades to PF? So after that he might think
it would be clever to hand out more information about customers.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: correctly on July 10, 2013, 03:49 pm

For a vendor who gets busted, the safety of his customers would be the last thing on his mind
sorry but we have to protect ourselves
he should not have your home addresses in the first place

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: ilovethecolour on July 10, 2013, 03:50 pm

No vendor should keep a list of customer addresses backed up, even if it is encrypted

Usually the way people get busted is because of stupidity, in this case if it is true. AfterHour accepted a different method of payment

or

Someone in his operation was busted and then snitched

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and do something

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: sleeptight on July 10, 2013, 06:11 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

And this points out how important it is to read the forum, especially if you're buying large quantities.

So it seems that German LE got after them through investigating RL contacts. That's good news, proving the tor network and SR are still safe.

Let's hope that LE doesn't find enough evidence for AH and Pf's SR transactions.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: slirp on July 10, 2013, 07:11 pm

I don't agree with connecting the dots for LE but that's just me.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluehorn on July 10, 2013, 08:08 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 10, 2013, 06:11 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

And this points out how important it is to read the forum, especially if you're buying large quantities.

So it seems that German LE got after them through investigating RL contacts. That's good news, proving the tor network and SR are still safe.

Let's hope that LE doesn't find enough evidence for AH and Pf's SR transactions.

Im not worried for my own sake, since i haven't ordered anything from either PF or AH.

The following is just speculation from my side.

Even if someone gets busted for RL reasons, their SR affairs and our safety might very well be compromised. If they weren't covering their tracks IRL, we could assume they weren't covering their tracks here.

I hope everyone knows by now to use PGP to encrypt addresses. Hopefully vendors wont leave their passwords lying around as they seemingly did with the SR passwords(AH logged on in recently i think)

Safety above all :)

Best regards,
bluehorn

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 10, 2013, 08:54 pm

yup, sad day, especially for the German SR community  :( :'(

but odds are, some new comer is filling in soon. this war on drugs is just complete BS... *wink.to.le"

if they kept buyer data, hope they get really good witness protection.... or they are likely to get stabbed in prison.

is there any known case of a vendor keeping buyer info?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Intraterrestrial on July 10, 2013, 09:09 pm

any vendors who do keep any buyer info cos "it will never happen to me" - get the fuck rid of it, thanks 8)

for everybody's sake.

hope it works out somehow or other for the busted crew, terrible news

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:25 pm

This yet again demonstrates the advantages of using a fake ID box, customers who had worked with the busted vendors could at this point drop their boxes and get new ones. Customers who had shit ordered to their real addresses are at the mercy of the security of the busted vendor.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:33 pm

Somebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

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M bestelle drei Drogenpäckchen im Netz über denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten. Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kleinen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die Überwachung halt nicht so vorhanden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt gewöhnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer über die Kamera, folgt ihm und observiert ihn, erhärtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man hin und meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fall sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

> Der Dealer übergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mittelsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss, leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel über den Dealer was fatal war.
> Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gestöbert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Polizeiarbeit, aber die fühlen sich jetzt voll wie die Häckerkönige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 09:46 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:33 pm

Somebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

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M bestelle drei Drogenpäckchen im Netz über denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten. Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kleinen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die Überwachung halt nicht so vorhanden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt gewöhnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer über die Kamera, folgt ihm und observiert ihn, erhärtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man hin und meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fall sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

> Der Dealer übergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mittelsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss, leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel über den Dealer was fatal war.
> Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gestöbert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Polizeiarbeit, aber die fühlen sich jetzt voll wie die Häckerkönige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.

Dont have time to translate all of it. But it basically says that police ordered from him with tracking regularly in the last three months. Then they monitored the point where the packages were droped. Thats how they got him.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:51 pm

Pretty noob mistake to always send from the same location. Smart vendors try to recycle drop off points as little as possible.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:59 pm

Quote from: ItalianMafiaBrussels on July 10, 2013, 11:24 am

alot of speed, silk road, i think AH

My thoughts are with you brother! One week ago i had a little chat with him.

Yes, best of luck to all in this situation!

However I have little pity for people involved in the game making stupid mistakes.  Chock it up to greed I suppose.  :-\

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.  Joke!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: biglubes on July 10, 2013, 10:10 pm

Google Translate is broken?  ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:13 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.  Joke!

Your the guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Everyone made fun of you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:16 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:13 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.  Joke!

Your the guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Everyone made fun of you.

My man, those guys were clowns and apparently you wanna join the circus.

People made fun of me?  and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned my ganja?  Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:16 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:13 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.  Joke!

Your the guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Everyone made fun of you.

My man, those guys were clowns and apparently you wanna join the circus.

People made fun of me?  and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned my ganja?  Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

No, but I heard from very reliable sources that it aint good for nothing but butter. schwag

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: piratesam on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

I would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:23 pm

Quote from: piratesam on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

I would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol

Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learning from mistakes!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:25 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:16 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:13 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.  Joke!

Your the guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Everyone made fun of you.

My man, those guys were clowns and apparently you wanna join the circus.

People made fun of me?  and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned my ganja?  Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

No, but I heard from very reliable sources that it aint good for nothing but butter. schwag

ok thanks for sharing!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:26 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:23 pm

Quote from: piratesam on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

I would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol

Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learning from mistakes!

Sorry. I just have zero tolerance for "big talkers."

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: JohnnyDeal on July 10, 2013, 10:34 pm

Of course I've expected some drama in here but it evolved into a soap opera

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:36 pm

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:26 pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:23 pm

Quote from: piratesam on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm

I would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol

Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learning from mistakes!

Sorry. I just have zero tolerance for "big talkers."

Yes I get the understanding that you don't like yourself, now fall back dealer of nothing, I already thanked you for your bullshit lie about sources when I have only sold bud to one source.  You see the difference in the plurality that you are claiming?  That means you are a liar and can't back up the bullshit you are claiming.  I also understand your hard on for me, I'm an intriguing individual, however I do feel bad that you are wasting space in this thread that could be used for real discussion.  I can't control the world so hey, what other bullshit ya got?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:38 pm

Quote from: JohnnyDeal on July 10, 2013, 10:34 pm

Of course I've expected some drama in here but it evolved into a soap opera

What are ya gonna do, I talk a lot of shit but I practice what I preach!  No one here has proven me wrong on any claims I have ever made!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: klm2233 on July 10, 2013, 10:39 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:33 pm

Somebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

Quote

M bestelle drei Drogenpäckchen im Netz über denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten. Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kleinen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die Überwachung halt nicht so vorhanden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt gewöhnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer über die Kamera, folgt ihm und observiert ihn, erhärtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man hin und meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fall sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

> Der Dealer übergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mittelsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss, leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel über den Dealer was fatal war.
> Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gestöbert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Polizeiarbeit, aber die fühlen sich jetzt voll wie die Häckerkönige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.

(fast) TRANSLATION

You are ordering 3 Packages of Drugs on the internet at the same vendor in the time of 3 months. You are controlling where the packages are dispatched, in this case a small postoffice at a kiosk, without cctv. You are ordering again, and are nowing the cycle of the vendor now, so you are surveiling the post office where it is dispatched, 3 days observation of 2 police officers, you are going to identify the dealer and follow him, if there is no evidence, you can go there and tell the you got a problem and may get the dealer in this was [ I dont get the point out of this sentence?!?!] In this case the dealer were looking like a junk, they arrested this runner in bavaria and asked him and found then the other dealers.

- the dealer is giving the drugs prepacked to the runner, most likely this guy doesnt even know what he is doing, in this case he did know way to much about the dealer
- i was looking a bit in the police documents and were looking what the colleagues in bavaria were doing, in fact great police work, but now they feel like the hackerkings.

-----------

the last sentence suggest that this note was written by LE
--> nope, editor of the note contacted me and told me he is servicing the servers of LE

stay safe

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:42 pm

+1 to the translator

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluehorn on July 10, 2013, 11:05 pm

Quote from: klm2233 on July 10, 2013, 10:39 pm

You are ordering 3 Packages of Drugs on the internet at the same vendor in the time of 3 months. You are controlling where the packages are dispatched, in this case a small postoffice at a kiosk, without cctv. You are ordering again, and are nowing the cycle of the vendor now, so you are surveiling the post office where it is dispatched, 3 days observation of 2 police officers, you are going to identify the dealer and follow him, if there is no evidence, you can go there and tell the you got a problem and may get the dealer in this was [ I dont get the point out of this sentence?!?!] In this case the dealer were looking like a junk, they arrested this runner in bavaria and asked him and found then the other dealers.

- the dealer is giving the drugs prepacked to the runner, most likely this guy doesnt even know what he is doing, in this case he did know way to much about the dealer
- i was looking a bit in the police documents and were looking what the colleagues in bavaria were doing, in fact great police work, but now they feel like the hackerkings.

-----------

the last sentence suggest that this note was written by LE
--> nope, editor of the note contacted me and told me he is servicing the servers of LE

stay safe

Thanks for the translation, my German is rusty to say the least :)

Seems they got to the entire operation because one person talked. Cliches aside (snitches get stitches and loyalty before royalty etc), having a tight crew you can trust not to rat on everyone is probably essential in case things go downhill.

But hell, what do I know   ???

Regards,
bluehorn

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 11:20 pm

To add to the gossip I just got this from a member who would like to remain nameless.....

Hey

can u please post this?
i am in dispute with the new owner of PFs acc, so I dont want to throw attention

"the guy who provided the info said they busted both, Afterhour and Pfandleiher (PFs account is now runned by Dutchanbod)"

one love

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Quazee on July 10, 2013, 11:24 pm

dutchanbod and pf have always been known as the same guy right? or just business partners. means the same thing if you take into account linkability.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11:25 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:33 pm

Somebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

Quote

M bestelle drei Drogenpäckchen im Netz über denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten. Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kleinen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die Überwachung halt nicht so vorhanden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt gewöhnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer über die Kamera, folgt ihm und observiert ihn, erhärtet sich der,Verdacht nicht geht man hin und meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fall sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

> Der Dealer übergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mittelsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss, leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel über den Dealer was fatal war.
> Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gestöbert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Polizeiarbeit, aber die fühlen sich jetzt voll wie die Häckerkönige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.

His writing style is a little bit weird but i will try to translate it:

Quote from: Translated

M ordered 3 drug packages from the same dealer over the inet every 3 months. It was controlled from where the packages were shipped. In this case from a small mail office in a newspaper outlet, where there were no video cams. They ordered another package, now you know the way the dealer operates and you can start to observe the mail station in the period of day when he usually drops the packages-, 3 days of observation of a mail station through 2 cops, identify the dealer through cam, follow and observe him. If the suspicion is not substantiated, you notify a problem and possibly you find the dealer.
In this case the mail man already looked like a junkie, so they caught the mail man in Bavaria, questioned him and then found the dealer.

>The dealer gives the packaged drugs to a middle man who is going to ship them, usually a small fish who knows nothing, unfortunately this mail man knew pretty much about the dealer and this was critical.
>I have searched the reports about the work of our Bavarian partners  for a while, actually its some very good police work but now they feel like the great hacker kings.

Edit: Lol i was too slow :D

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: frankmacca on July 10, 2013, 11:43 pm

Cutting the cables is a necessity in the business. Hope whomever got pinched had their wire cutters handy before it went down!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 12:11 am

On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug operation which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quite scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone knows if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: ilovethecolour on July 11, 2013, 02:20 am

Like i said before

Stupidity or Snitch

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: connoisseur on July 11, 2013, 04:26 am

I post the full text of this police press release here so you don't have to leave traces on their server and they cannot follow how many people are interested in this story.
As much as I got from a machine translation it's about German XTC vendors operating here and police has a lot of data as vendors seem to have bared their sould in custody.
It appears to be the 3rd major bust in Germany and is dated July 10, 3:12 PM German time.

A few reminders:
Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one you used before as this would be the easiest way for cops to get your data. To my knowledge Germany allows police to buy drugs to make a case but they are not allowed to continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct me if this is a wrong assumption.

Fucking Nazis.

IDK the SR post-bust policy but I think it would be good idea if DPR makes compromised accounts inaccessible in order to limit the damage. Don't throw aroudn with vendor names here in the forum but PM the mods if you have any information that helps to protect this community.

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Pol-E: Essen/Hagen: Hagener Polizei führt Schlag gegen Internethandelhandel mit Ecstasy-Tabletten.

Seit mehreren Wochen ermittelt die Hagener Polizei wegen Rauschgifthandels gegen eine überregionale Tätergruppe aus diversen Städten in NRW. Das Kommissariat zur Bekämpfung der Organisierten Kriminalität hat hierzu speziell eine Ermittlungskommission eingerichtet. Grund dafür war der Verdacht eines groß angelegten Handels mit Ecstasy-Tabletten und Amphetamin. Verkäufer und Käufer traten dazu über abgeschottete Internetforen in Kontakt. Die Bezahlung und Lieferung der Betäubungsmittel fand anschließend auf dem Postwege statt. Als Zahlungsmittel nutzen die Tatverdächtigen auch das Internetzahlungsmittel Bitcoin. Die Beamten der Ermittlungskommission gehen derzeit davon aus, dass auf diesem Wege ca. 65000 Ecstasy-Pillen mit einem Marktwert von mehr als 250.000 Euro umgesetzt wurden. Die konspirative Kommunikation der Tatverdächtigen untereinander erfolgte mit höchstem technischem Knowhow, so dass auch die Ermittler der Hagener Kripo einen enormen technischen Aufwand und umfangreiche konspirative Überwachungsmaßnahmen betreiben mussten. Die intensiven Ermittlungen führten schließlich zu einem positiven Ergebnis und zunächst zur Identifizierung von acht Haupttatverdächtigen in Essen, Herten, Unna, Velbert sowie im Ennepe-Ruhr-Kreis. Darüber hinaus gab es weitere Tatverdächtige im Alter von 19 bis 26 Jahren in Rheinlandpfalz, Hessen und Bayern. Die in diesem Fall zuständigen Staatsanwaltschaften aus Essen, Bochum, Wuppertal und Arnsberg beantragten entsprechende Durchsuchungsbeschlüsse, die von den jeweils zuständigen Gerichten erlassen wurden. Damit waren die erforderlichen Voraussetzungen geschaffen und am Dienstag, dem 02.07.13 um 06.00 Uhr, schlugen die Ermittler zeitgleich an 11 verschiedenen Orten in NRW zu und durchsuchten die Wohnungen der ermittelten Tatverdächtigen. Dabei stellten die Ermittler Bargeld in Höhe von 14.000 Euro, Handelsutensilien und zunächst kleinere Drogenmengen sicher. Darüber hinaus legten sie aber auch großen Wert auf die Sicherstellung von Computern, Speichermedien und Datenträgern, um so die Tathandlungen weiter aufhellen zu können. Acht deutsche Tatverdächtige im Alter von 21 bis 31 Jahren, wurden vorläufig festgenommen. Noch am gleichen Vormittag erfolgten weitere Durchsuchungen in den o. g. Bundesländern bei Abnehmern und Kontaktpersonen in Fulda, Worms, Weilheim und Wittlich. Dabei wurde neben kleineren Drogenmengen und einem Sturmgewehr auch eine Cannabis-Plantage vorgefunden und gesichert. Die Festgenommenen zeigten sich weitestgehend geständig, bestätigten den Ermittlungsstand und trugen mit ihren Aussagen zur weiteren Aufhellung bei. In weiten Teilen bestätigten sich die bisherigen Ermittlungsergebnisse und die Erkenntnisse über den Handel einer großen Zahl von Ecstasy-Pillen.

Noch an diesem Tag führten Folgeermittlungen die Kripobeamten nach Wickede a. d. R. zu einem weiteren bislang unbekannten Mittäter. Eine Wohnungsdurchsuchung führte hier zur Sicherstellung von mehr als 11.000 Ecstasytabletten im Wert von über 40.000 Euro und zahlreichen weiteren Beweismitteln, die den umfangreichen Handel belegten. Der 28-jährige Mann und seine gleichaltrige Lebensgefährtin wurden vorläufig festgenommen. Während die Frau später den Heimweg antreten konnte, hat ein Haftrichter für den 28-Jährigen Untersuchungshaft angeordnet. Auch der jüngste der erstgenannten acht Tatverdächtigen war dem Haftrichter vorgeführt, auf dessen Anordnung aber gegen Auflagen wieder entlassen worden.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: tomleepdx on July 11, 2013, 04:49 am

Can anyone identify what pills those are from the image?  The ones in the foreground appear to have a unique press that isn't a circle.  I can't quite figure out what they are.  The green ones in the background maybe androids?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: ilovethecolour on July 11, 2013, 06:11 am

Any idea who the pill vendor might be?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 06:25 am

so what date did this happen?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 06:31 am

Quote from: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 06:25 am

so what date did this happen?

07/02/13  6 am

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: h1n1z2 on July 11, 2013, 06:42 am

Afterhour

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 07:35 am

Quote from: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 06:31 am

Quote from: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 06:25 am

so what date did this happen?

07/02/13  6 am

Are you sure? I am almost positive AH had signed on after then.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 11, 2013, 07:50 am

Guys this whole Pfandleiher and Dutchanbod thing smells also fishy... who knows who really took over Pfandleihers account. if I wanted I could also write as bad english as DB...
Please be careful

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:50 am

the article also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperating... superduper

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: uhrwerk on July 11, 2013, 10:12 am

Quote from: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:50 am

the article also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperating... superduper

no mentioning of SR, they just say that they used "hidden internet forums" and by that, I am not sure if they mean the TOR network at all.

"Die konspirative Kommunikation der Tatverdächtigen untereinander erfolgte mit höchstem technischem Knowhow, so dass auch die Ermittler der Hagener Kripo einen enormen technischen Aufwand und umfangreiche konspirative Überwachungsmaßnahmen betreiben mussten. Die intensiven Ermittlungen führten schließlich zu einem positiven Ergebnis und zunächst zur Identifizierung von acht Haupttatverdächtigen in Essen, Herten, Unna, Velbert sowie im Ennepe-Ruhr-Kreis."
translates to :
"the conspirative communication used by the suspects was on the highest technical level, so the investigators had to use a surveillance on the highest technical conspirative  extent. [that sentence is bogus in German, too, dont blame me for it :) ] Intense work led to the indentification of 8 main suspects in the afforementioned cities."

They could very well have been working in clearweb party/drug- forums and only be a group of ravers that went overboard. I have also got an idea of the communication they used if they were identifiable after all.
Also, that happens if young, in their-twenties think they have it all covered with their security and trust each other too much. They will learn now that patience is a virtue, and silence is gold. Apparently they have never had to deal with LE cause they talked straight away. The main person was not even known to the authorities but was caught the very same day all of them were busted because one started talking. They always pick on the weakest.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 10:40 am

Looks like they fucked PF quite hard :(

http://idowa.de/home/artikel/2013/07/05/filmreife-szenen-in-altenmarkt.html

"It was like in a movie: there were armed cops from the LKA with oxygen masks, they probably threw tear gas. into the building At least you heard loud broken windows and a short time later they removed the suspects. One cop was even bleeding."

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 11, 2013, 11:01 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 10:40 am

Looks like they fucked PF quite hard :(

http://idowa.de/home/artikel/2013/07/05/filmreife-szenen-in-altenmarkt.html

"It was like in a movie: there were armed cops from the LKA with oxygen masks, they probably threw tear gas. into the building At least you heard loud broken windows and a short time later they removed the suspects. One cop was even bleeding."

Holy shit, and that article is from last friday morning!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 11, 2013, 11:05 am

PF/DA NO same person. PF had some problem and heat last month but was from RL thing, we think he went away and cool off then. Maybe went back too soon?

We say many time - investigation move VERY SLOW and take LON G TIME. This look like going for 1yr. Usual 9-18 months. DON think all ok because nothing happen TODAY. Understand?

Other people maybe have problems also - maybe some from NL, BE CAREFUL FOR WHILE. We *KNO* other person in NL have problem maybe because of this.

They watch and listen to learn much before bust.

:o

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BTW - yes sad 1 person 100% AH.  :-\

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 11:26 am

Quote from: uhrwerk on July 11, 2013, 10:12 am

Quote from: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:50 am

the article also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperating... superduper

no mentioning of SR, they just say that they used "hidden internet forums" and by that, I am not sure if they mean the TOR network at all.

......

They could very well have been working in clearweb party/drug- forums and only be a group of ravers that went overboard. I have also got an idea of the communication they used if they were identifiable after all.
Also, that happens if young, in their-twenties think they have it all covered with their security and trust each other too much. They will learn now that patience is a virtue, and silence is gold. Apparently they have never had to deal with LE cause they talked straight away. The main person was not even known to the authorities but was caught the very same day all of them were busted because one started talking. They always pick on the weakest.

true. the article states it was an "Forum / Board". SR ain't a forum (but then, what do most reporters know). The article also states that "Payment and delivery were done via the postal system." "They  A L S O  used the internet currency bitcoin". Sounds not like SR... or not JUST SR. Maybe they were doing both or whatever.

[C L E A R N E T]
http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/velbert/schlag-gegen-drogenkriminalitaet-polizei-nimmt-ecstasy-gangster-fest-id8173135.html
http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/30835/2511284/pol-ha-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten
[ / C L E A R N E T]

There are some picture of the pills. somebody seen them on here? 250 000 Euro worth of pills sold (if we trust their numbers and their math) should have been seen by someone (I personally am not into XTC so I don't look at the listings).

Well... as Uhrwerk said, trusting others too much. But that were sellers (obviously they need to be buyers as well..) but as buyer you always got the weak link of exposing some address... which can lead to all sorts of problems down the line.

Would be great if more vendors offered pick up options at drops, even for a fee. Sooo much safer for buyers. Two minutes after you walk, you are in the clear....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 11, 2013, 12:07 pm

Quote from: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 11:26 am

true. the article states it was an "Forum / Board". SR ain't a forum (but then, what do most reporters know). The article also states that "Payment and delivery were done via the postal system." "They  A L S O  used the internet currency bitcoin". Sounds not like SR... or not JUST SR. Maybe they were doing both or whatever.

[C L E A R N E T]
http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/velbert/schlag-gegen-drogenkriminalitaet-polizei-nimmt-ecstasy-gangster-fest-id8173135.html
http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/30835/2511284/pol-ha-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten
[ / C L E A R N E T]

There are some picture of the pills. somebody seen them on here?

Look like maybe green ? marks or green Rolex crown. If green Rolex crown then not from SR. The green rolex are FAKE with PMA.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 12:39 pm

"Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one you used before as this would be the easiest way for cops to get your data. To my knowledge Germany allows police to buy drugs to make a case but they are not allowed to continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct me if this is a wrong assumption."

They are definitely NOT allowed to sell drugs. On the other hand, leaving the account open to collect data..... don't think that is forbidden. They don't switch your mobile off, once they took it from if they suspect you of anything serious. And even if, they could easily find a reason to keep it open ..

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: sleeptight on July 11, 2013, 05:18 pm

Quote from: tomleepdx on July 11, 2013, 04:49 am

Can anyone identify what pills those are from the image?  The ones in the foreground appear to have a unique press that isn't a circle.  I can't quite figure out what they are.  The green ones in the background maybe androids?

Looks like grenade shape to me. Blue and green grenades have been around lately.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: sleeptight on July 11, 2013, 06:28 pm

Quote from: connoisseur on July 11, 2013, 04:26 am

I post the full text of this police press release here so you don't have to leave traces on their server and they cannot follow how many people are interested in this story.
As much as I got from a machine translation it's about German XTC vendors operating here and police has a lot of data as vendors seem to have bared their sould in custody.
It appears to be the 3rd major bust in Germany and is dated July 10, 3:12 PM German time.

A few reminders:
Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one you used before as this would be the easiest way for cops to get your data. To my knowledge Germany allows police to buy drugs to make a case but they are not allowed to continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct me if this is a wrong assumption.

Fucking Nazis.

IDK the SR post-bust policy but I think it would be good idea if DPR makes compromised accounts inaccessible in order to limit the damage. Don't throw aroudn with vendor names here in the forum but PM the mods if you have any information that helps to protect this community.

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

I've found some time to translate this article:

Since a couple of weeks the police in Hagen is investigating a criminal group corperating from several citys in NRW (biggest Bundesland
in GER). The comissionership for fighting organized crime has set up a special unit for this case. They suspected large trading of ecstasy
-tablets and amphetamine. Vendors and buyers got in contact through secured/isolated internet forums. Payment and delivery of the
narcotics happened through the mail system. The suspects also used the internet currency Bitcoin for payment.
The officers of the comissionership are currently assuming that approximately 65.000 ecstasy tablets with a value of more than 250.000€
have been sold this way. The consperative communication between the sucpects happened with highest technical knowhow, forcing the
investigators of the Hagen criminal investigation department to expend huge technical effort and use conspirative surveillance measures.
The intense investigations finally lead to a positive outcome and identification of eight suspects in Essen, Herten, Unna, Velbert (these
are citys) and in the Ennepe-Ruhr area. More suspects, 19 to 26 years old were also identified in Rheinlandpfalz, Hessen and Bayern
(these are Bundesländer).
The prosecutions of Essen, Bochum, Wuppertal and Arnsberg requested search warrants, which were remitted from the responsible courts.
With this the necessary requirements were given and on tuesday, 2. July 2013 at 6am the investigators striked simultaneously at 11 different places in NRW and searched the residences of the suspects. They confiscated 14.000€ in cash, trading paraphernalia and small amounts of drugs. Great interest was set on the confiscation of computers and data storage devices to find out more about the circumstances of the crime. Eight German suspects from 21 to 31 years old were arrested.
Even more searches occured at forenoon in the already mentioned Bundesländer targeting customers and contact persons in Fulda, Worms,
Weilheim and Wittlich (citys). Not only small amounts of drugs, but also an assault rifle and a cannabis plantation were found.
Most of the arrested suspects confessed the crimes, confirmed the state of the investigations and helped the investigators to clear things
up. Most of the investigation results and knowledge about the trade with great number of ecstasy pills could be confirmed.

Following investigations made the same day from crime officers leading to Wickede at the Ruhr (a city) resulted in finding a till this
point unknown accomplice. A search of his residence resulted in seizsure of more than 11.000 ectasy tablets with a value of more than
40.000€ and a lot of other evidence, which confirmes big trading. The 28 year old man and his girlfriend which is the same age were
arrested. The woman was released later, while the 28 year old was remanded in custody by the committing magistrate. The youngest of the
eight suspects was also arraignment to the committing magistrate but released on parole.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:12 pm

Quote from: blauMaus on July 10, 2013, 03:21 pm

I think SR staff should intervene and at least temporarily block the accounts of the suspected vendors.
It is still possible that they give out PWs while being questioned by LE.

All in all, i am wondering whether it makes sense for a vendor to keep a list of buyers, he could offer
it to LE in a deal... But on the other side, it is then evident that he had this lot of customers so bad for him again.
If i got it right from the news articles, then LE could prove 350 trades to PF? So after that he might think
it would be clever to hand out more information about customers.

That is a big concern of mine too. Once linking the account to him, they know, he has done the deals anyways... snitching, unfortunately is something many people do, when in big trouble.... and in SR they don't even know the people they are snitching on. IF you are one of the 350, they won't come to your door and talk... more likely, they will put you in some creepy database and maybe do a bag search during the next traffic stop or some shit... due to probable cause..  :( :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 12, 2013, 12:59 am

Quote

Even more searches occured at forenoon in the already mentioned Bundesländer targeting customers and contact persons in Fulda, Worms,
Weilheim and Wittlich (citys). Not only small amounts of drugs, but also an assault rifle and a cannabis plantation were found.

Most of the arrested suspects confessed the crimes, confirmed the state of the investigations and helped the investigators to clear things
up.

Most of the investigation results and knowledge about the trade with great number of ecstasy pills could be confirmed.

Most of the arrested suspects confessed the crimes, confirmed the state of the investigations and helped the investigators to clear things
up.    !!!!  :o  >:(  :-X

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bbcooltwo on July 12, 2013, 02:43 am

I saw it for a few days and had thing about it.

Started a topic in the off-topic corner:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=182683.0

I think the pills looks like the decibels and thumbs.
But i think the people who are arrested are not somebody from a vendor team.

I think this only would be some customers which resell the pills and weren´t careful enough.

There are no big xtc vendors in the german scene, so it couldn´t be from a normal german board!
It defenitly have something to do with sr !

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: funyoungguy on July 12, 2013, 05:25 am

Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says shipped on the 29th. Should I be?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: fucknuts on July 12, 2013, 06:10 am

Quote from: funyoungguy on July 12, 2013, 05:25 am

Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says shipped on the 29th. Should I be?

If it were me, I'd be worried enough to clean my house and be very careful when/if the package came.  US/European LE is very cooperative.  Better safe than sorry.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flashlight5 on July 12, 2013, 08:51 am

Quote from: funyoungguy on July 12, 2013, 05:25 am

Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says shipped on the 29th. Should I be?

if its a good vendor, here already deleted your add and you are fine.
there is a slim chance that they already were monitoring the mail he was sending.
if you need to sign for it be careful. but if you get it, you'll be fine. they won't be allowed to distribute drugs and leave them ... of course.

better safe man!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 12, 2013, 12:05 pm

Careful, monitor mail they send was how they get caught.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 12, 2013, 12:33 pm

The real risk comes when vendors have to do signed for deliveries. That entails a visit to a post office or courier and a 'capture' on CCTV.

If law enforcement agencies target a vendor, the focus will be on the delvery methods vendors use. Buy a few listings (its legal for cops to buy drugs if they are trying to infiltrate) and look were the mail is coming from. Buy a 'signed for' delivery, then its a simple matter of contacting the post offices own internal investigations and waiting for computer system to flag up any given name or address.

All signed for post is on a database.

Once cops identify one suspect, its usually easy to follow a trail to the co conspirators.

Also, bear in mind cops simply hire the best in the field for computer forensics.

The most risk free ventures will simply be posting small amounts into mail boxes and posting in locations which alter every so many days. Also, many vendors seem to use the 'same' method of delivery. Same envelope, same logos. Once that is identified, its easy to get more serious in the investigation. So altering the look of the envelopes would help a lot. Also, change those return addresses often.

I think also that anyone buying to resell needs to be careful. Buying 50 grams or a kilo of speed, its obviously not personal use.

Guess this is a warning that we need to be on our toes. Vendors selling big amounts are, IMO, the easiest to catch. I can order 28 grams of MDMA for example, and get a tracking number which will lead to a time stamped purchase which can lead to a look on the CCTV to ID the perp.

Be safe.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: HarmReduction on July 14, 2013, 10:31 am

Surprised to see comments about shipments and pills not found l am zure LE will read this thread and info by some could be useful to LE becareful not to implicate yourself or others

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: goldenone on July 14, 2013, 05:25 pm

Most important piece of information here for me is that they ordered several packages with tracking to a vendor to locate him.. If you are gonna do packages with tracking you must understand that your danger of a bust increases a lot... also is good for all people here to remember that there are big institutions trying to bust vendors 24/7, is our job to make it the most difficult for them..

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:30 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 12:11 am

On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug operation which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quite scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone knows if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Somebody got busted in May as well. At the time we thought it might have been PF but it turned out not to be. Seems like the worst country to be a SR dealer. The cops are clearly very much on the case.

I've never understood why vendors would use tracking. It's the only way LE could possibly find your location. Idiotic and I hope anyone else who offers tracking will remove the option in light of this news.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: WhiteShark on July 15, 2013, 01:41 am

Quote from: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:30 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 12:11 am

On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug operation which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quite scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone knows if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Somebody got busted in May as well. At the time we thought it might have been PF but it turned out not to be. Seems like the worst country to be a SR dealer. The cops are clearly very much on the case.

I've never understood why vendors would use tracking. It's the only way LE could possibly find your location. Idiotic and I hope anyone else who offers tracking will remove the option in light of this news.

How would tracking help LE find your location? If you originate the shipping labels from a remote location the following of the tracking leads to nothing that can be connected with the vendor.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:43 am

Quote from: goldenone on July 14, 2013, 05:25 pm

Most important piece of information here for me is that they ordered several packages with tracking to a vendor to locate him.. If you are gonna do packages with tracking you must understand that your danger of a bust increases a lot... also is good for all people here to remember that there are big institutions trying to bust vendors 24/7, is our job to make it the most difficult for them..

That's the bottom line. Using tracking is idiotic. Any vendors doing so, need to cease.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Yousaf on July 15, 2013, 02:37 am

PF was growing cannabis and they found a cannabis plantation.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: phoboss on July 15, 2013, 05:32 am

Look pls pls pls use gloves or super glue your tips but wear gloves end of I'm pretty sure these giys would've been caught cos of their DNA and akso a fucking devil SNITCH bastard cunt so pls be careful vendors and buyers alike ok don't never ever forget these words ok it's better to be safe than sorry ok ie take precautions all of the time anyway I hope they can't prove shit against those guys vendors or not I hope they walk out of court with a smirk on their face and a middle finger scratching their back as they walk out peace out people

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: müslix on July 15, 2013, 09:58 am

Quote from: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:43 am

That's the bottom line. Using tracking is idiotic. Any vendors doing so, need to cease.

use a mailbox/mail forwarding service and reship it from another country. Or better: get it reshipped. Problem solved.

sine someone mentioned imprint: he got busted 1 year ago and word on the street was that he and PF were friends in real life.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: mrmdma on July 15, 2013, 10:22 am

Quote from: phoboss on July 15, 2013, 05:32 am

Look pls pls pls use gloves or super glue your tips but wear gloves end of I'm pretty sure these giys would've been caught cos of their DNA and akso a fucking devil SNITCH bastard cunt so pls be careful vendors and buyers alike ok don't never ever forget these words ok it's better to be safe than sorry ok ie take precautions all of the time anyway I hope they can't prove shit against those guys vendors or not I hope they walk out of court with a smirk on their face and a middle finger scratching their back as they walk out peace out people

Just a friendly tip. Even though we are on a forum ridden by drugheads, please try to make your text even somewhat readable. This is so annoying and hard to read, I feel like like I need a dexedrine to get through it!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: experimental333 on July 15, 2013, 12:11 pm

The LE is catching up with SR. They are fine tuning their methods every day. We have been underestimating them for a long time, thinking that TOR, PGP etc will protect us. But we have to remember that they have decades of police work experience under their belt and they know that the weakest link in any system is always the human link. They know how to find people and how to control the postal system. Now they just need to apply that knowledge to the new circumstances.
Have you heard about this program? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker for German Post recently said that every piece of mail going from GER to USA is photographed. With that kind of database it's easy to track locations form which vendors send their letters..

Once a vendor is arrested and they have some evidence (like drugs possesion) he will do everything to make his punishement as low as possible. He will not care about anonymous buyers that he never met IRL.
So make sure you protect yourself too, and never trust any vendor too much.

Maybe the oldschool selling methods with email newsletters and vendor menus were more secure? I think with the use of BTC they could be more secure for vendors and buyers.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DrCol on July 15, 2013, 12:28 pm

Quote from: experimental333 on July 15, 2013, 12:11 pm

Have you heard about this program? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker for German Post recently said that every piece of mail going from GER to USA is photographed. With that kind of database it's easy to track locations form which vendors send their letters..

Easy to track locations?...I think not.

Even if they could, a serious vendor changes locations for mail out regularly, changes return address regularly etc...that kind of data would take a very long time to track and trace. And then you would need to track the drop.

I don't know...sounds like a long shot. But well advised generally to keep cautious and alert.

Doc

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Intraterrestrial on July 15, 2013, 12:31 pm

Quote from: experimental333 on July 15, 2013, 12:11 pm

The LE is catching up with SR. They are fine tuning their methods every day. We have been underestimating them for a long time, thinking that TOR, PGP etc will protect us. But we have to remember that they have decades of police work experience under their belt and they know that the weakest link in any system is always the human link. They know how to find people and how to control the postal system. Now they just need to apply that knowledge to the new circumstances.
Have you heard about this program? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker for German Post recently said that every piece of mail going from GER to USA is photographed. With that kind of database it's easy to track locations form which vendors send their letters..

Once a vendor is arrested and they have some evidence (like drugs possesion) he will do everything to make his punishement as low as possible. He will not care about anonymous buyers that he never met IRL.
So make sure you protect yourself too, and never trust any vendor too much.

Maybe the oldschool selling methods with email newsletters and vendor menus were more secure? I think with the use of BTC they could be more secure for vendors and buyers.

Of course buyers should protect themselves as much as possible, agreed. Bulk buyers/resellers in particular.

However if a vendor is busted, there is gonna be no incentive for them to give up any buyer information except for perhaps bulk buyers

LE will not be interested in people buying personal amounts, and the busted vendors will want to minimise LE's perception of the scale of their operation

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Revolutionista on July 15, 2013, 12:51 pm

Ive always presumed that theres some pretty dangerous people buying on SR. Are you really going to grass up someone with the funds and the balls to order 10k pills? Personally id think twice. Any brief worth his money wouldnt let his client divulge passwords if hes doing that kind of business? How having the romanian mafia trying to track you down and skin you alive will help matters i dont know, especially when your locked in jail? Personally id take the extra 5 years just to know my family werent going to be in danger.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: HarmReduction on July 15, 2013, 02:48 pm

WASHINGTON, July 4 (UPI) --

The U.S. Postal Service photographs all mail processed nationwide in a program similar to U.S. electronic surveillance, officials and security experts say.

"Basically they are doing the same thing as the other programs, collecting the information on the outside of your mail -- the metadata, if you will -- of names, addresses, return addresses and postmark locations, which gives the government a pretty good map of your contacts, even if they aren't reading the contents," computer security expert Bruce Schneier told The New York Times.

The warrantless surveillance program for law enforcement is called Mail Isolation Control and Tracking. It's been in effect almost 11 years.

Last year alone Postal Service computers photographed the outside of about 160 billion letters and parcels, the Times said.

It is not known how long the government keeps the images, the newspaper said.

The images are kept as part of a law enforcement surveillance technique known as "mail covers."

Mail covers do not involve reading the mail itself, just the outside information, and are not considered by the Postal Service or Justice Department to be constitutional violations since the outside of envelopes and packages can readily be seen by anyone.

"It's a treasure trove of information," former FBI agent James Wedick told the Times.

"Looking at just the outside of letters and other mail, I can see who you bank with, who you communicate with -- all kinds of useful information that gives investigators leads that they can then follow up on with a subpoena," said Wedick, who spent 34 years at the FBI and used mail covers in a number of investigations.

But the program's sweeping nature disturbs some people.

"In the past, mail covers were used when you had a reason to suspect someone of a crime," Mark Rasch, who started a computer crimes unit in the fraud section of the Justice Department's criminal division, told the Times.

"Now it seems to be, 'Let's record everyone's mail so in the future we might go back and see who you were communicating with,'" he said. "Essentially you've added mail covers on millions of Americans."

The Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program was created after the anthrax attacks in late 2001 that killed five people, including two postal workers, and infected 17 others.

The program was secret, but the FBI cited it last month during its investigation into ricin-laced letters sent to President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

The FBI said in a criminal complaint June 7 a postal investigator tracing the ricin letters was able to narrow the search to New Boston, Texas, actress Shannon Guess Richardson by examining front and back images of 60 pieces of mail scanned just before and after the tainted letters were sent to Obama and Bloomberg.

The data showed return addresses near her home, the FBI said.

Richardson originally accused her husband, Nathan Richardson, of mailing the letters, but investigators determined he was at work when the letters were mailed.

Shannon Richardson was indicted and charged Friday in the mailing of the letters. She was also charged with sending a third ricin letter to Mark Glaze, the executive director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: klm2233 on July 15, 2013, 04:48 pm

Quote from: Overjoyed on July 15, 2013, 04:36 pm

Quote from: StillRuthless on July 15, 2013, 04:34 pm

I WONT STOP UNTIL MY VENDOR ACCOUNT IS REINSTATED

Fuck you and fuck your vendor account. You are an idiotic scumbag. I hope that you die slowly and painfully.

^^
this

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 10:37 pm

Without mentioning too much detail, wtf just went down here?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: WhiteShark on July 15, 2013, 11:18 pm

some idiot vendor began posting a whole bunch of address, allegedly of his customers, in attempt to threaten SR to reinstate his vendor account.

Idiot because:

1. Kept addresses
2. Posted them all over multiple threads
3. Thought it would get SR to give him back a vendor account

Clearly some sort of 18 year old "gangster" wannabe loser.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bbcooltwo on July 15, 2013, 11:48 pm

If somebody knows something about proline, you could help some user in another threat.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=185285.0

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: MarcelKetman on July 16, 2013, 09:05 am

Quote from: WhiteShark on July 15, 2013, 11:18 pm

some idiot vendor began posting a whole bunch of address, allegedly of his customers, in attempt to threaten SR to reinstate his vendor account.

Idiot because:

1. Kept addresses
2. Posted them all over multiple threads
3. Thought it would get SR to give him back a vendor account

Clearly some sort of 18 year old "gangster" wannabe loser.

dick

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: westb0xes on July 16, 2013, 09:44 pm

Quote from: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:33 pm

Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:22 pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get busted.  just saying can't trust peeps

I employ multiple people in my operations.  It's impossible to distribute at a certain level all by yourself.  You just have to run a tight ship.

rofl dont agree with that :D
It sucks but every Walter needs a Jesse or two.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: westb0xes on July 16, 2013, 09:45 pm

Quote from: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:53 pm

Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.

8)

a saul is the best :D

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 12:57 pm

only a few days gone and then this BS all over ....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 12:57 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 09, 2013, 03:37 pm

Uh oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence that last week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged in for 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=....?

I'm a bit late to this thread... But I'm fairly sure AfterHour, Dutchaanbod &Pfandleiher have all admitted that they know each other / had the same MDMA supplier.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 01:09 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and do something

80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 01:41 pm

Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 01:09 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and do something

80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the weakminded from them self...

I passed several good offers because of the vendor has no encryption.
No public key ... no business with me!

take care
12345

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 02:23 pm

Quote from: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 01:41 pm

Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 01:09 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and do something

80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the weakminded from them self...

I passed several good offers because of the vendor has no encryption.
No public key ... no business with me!

take care
12345

+1

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

Quote from: Intraterrestrial on July 15, 2013, 12:31 pm

LE will not be interested in people buying personal amounts

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: cryngie on July 22, 2013, 11:59 pm

Quote from: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 01:41 pm

Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013, 01:09 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and do something

80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the weakminded from them self...

I passed several good offers because of the vendor has no encryption.
No public key ... no business with me!

take care
12345

Wouldn't worry about addresses that aren't encrypted as they will have his/her computer access to SR account most likely so then access to there pgp key soonly a matter of time before they have everything encrypted or not

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: cactuschomper on July 23, 2013, 10:22 pm

damn glad i saw this thread

gives me a wakeup call about my vendor accounts

stay on your toes guys!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluehorn on July 24, 2013, 03:30 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

As someone who several times spent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Germans , I agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.  ::)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 24, 2013, 07:02 am

Quote

As someone who several times spent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Germans , I agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.  ::)

Nein, nein, nein!! Sie tun es perfekt!  ;D  Ah... eine Kunst!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: zookaa on July 24, 2013, 12:31 pm

Quote from: bluehorn on July 24, 2013, 03:30 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

As someone who several times spent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Germans , I agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.  ::)

HEHEHE
Now picture german LE like this.... :)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jigsaw1234 on July 31, 2013, 06:06 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

OK, this is a bit exaggerated.

We Germans are supposed to be thorough and accurate and that might be true in many daily situations like splitting a restaurant bill but German LE has the same constraints regarding budgets and personal just like LE all over the world. This forces them to allocate their resources effectively and efficiently. Especially in the states that are ruled by the liberal parties (like Berlin and Hamburg for example), drug laws are very soft (compared to other countries) and harsh police investigations (like search warrants) are rarely executed against small time consumers. A friend of mine got busted with 25g of HQ weed in his car and even though he has several drug records already, the cops did not search his house, he did not go to jail, not even to court! Only had to pay a fine of 1.400 € (a pleasant surprise).

Nevertheless, things are different in more conservative (and richer) states like Bavaria (I think AH and PL were arrested over there, right?). Police actions as well as punishments are supposed to be much more severe over there and search warrants are executed for the smallest reasons.

Anyways, please don't get wrong, I really don't wanna say that you shouldn't care about not getting caught and that security and stealth is a minor issue over here since it is not!!! Everybody who is engaged with illegal substances should always try to avoid detection with all possible means no matter in which country and me personally I go for maximum stealth wherever I can!

I just wanted to share some first-hand experience  ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: cactuschomper on July 31, 2013, 06:12 am

Quote from: Jigsaw1234 on July 31, 2013, 06:06 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

OK, this is a bit exaggerated.

We Germans are supposed to be thorough and accurate and that might be true in many daily situations like splitting a restaurant bill but German LE has the same constraints regarding budgets and personal just like LE all over the world. This forces them to allocate their resources effectively and efficiently. Especially in the states that are ruled by the liberal parties (like Berlin and Hamburg for example), drug laws are very soft (compared to other countries) and harsh police investigations (like search warrants) are rarely executed against small time consumers. A friend of mine got busted with 25g of HQ weed in his car and even though he has several drug records already, the cops did not search his house, he did not go to jail, not even to court! Only had to pay a fine of 1.400 € (a pleasant surprise).

Nevertheless, things are different in more conservative (and richer) states like Bavaria (I think AH and PL were arrested over there, right?). Police actions as well as punishments are supposed to be much more severe over there and search warrants are executed for the smallest reasons.

Anyways, please don't get wrong, I really don't wanna say that you shouldn't care about not getting caught and that security and stealth is a minor issue over here since it is not!!! Everybody who is engaged with illegal substances should always try to avoid detection with all possible means no matter in which country and me personally I go for maximum stealth wherever I can!

I just wanted to share some first-hand experience  ;)

+1 My friend!

Good to hear some first hand experience, I always wondered how the drug enforcement laws varied in different parts of Germany  :P

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluedev1 on July 31, 2013, 07:47 am

Quote from: AbuNazir on July 09, 2013, 03:30 pm

Not much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for resale. A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supply chain. Stay safe.

Actually I disagree.  If enough buyers started getting busted, a lot of people might become too afraid to buy.  That would achieve the same end, speaking strictly in terms of preventing money from going to dealers.

I don't want to go through any more scary scenarios here but I don't think anyone should be getting comfy.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities clearly for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you close shop or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just have some record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

Buyers supplying unencrypted addresses makes me cringe. Most don't and although I strongly suggest they do on all of my pages and make my key available on every page of mine including the signature of all my forum posts most still don't do it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win is idiot proof and takes 1 minute. Just do it.

Vendors should encrypt their entire hard drive with TrueCrypt. It takes one night to do. You can encrypt all the individual files you want but there will always be traces of your activities on the hard drive so just encrypt the whole thing. My whole drive is encrypted and if I ever hear the slightest sound outside my door I immediately hit the power button. Let them try to break a 30 character meaningless password :-)

Vendors need to change up their shipping times, locations, and LABELS. I use a different return address every time. All it takes is one package to get intercepted to compromise ALL packages if you are using the same return address on everything. Remember they take and save a picture of of labels now.

Vendors should ideally be 1 person operations. If one person falls everyone does. Therefore have no others. You guys talk encryption and bitcoin and Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to bust a huge SR vendor? To have one of the parties involved get pulled over driving high, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when it gets raided, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips and whole operation gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anonymity. I know one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a driver who plowed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kgs from his car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years. Keep operations small so you have no one to worry about but yourself.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Quazee on August 01, 2013, 02:21 am

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities clearly for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you close shop or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just have some record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

Buyers supplying unencrypted addresses makes me cringe. Most don't and although I strongly suggest they do on all of my pages and make my key available on every page of mine including the signature of all my forum posts most still don't do it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win is idiot proof and takes 1 minute. Just do it.

Vendors should encrypt their entire hard drive with TrueCrypt. It takes one night to do. You can encrypt all the individual files you want but there will always be traces of your activities on the hard drive so just encrypt the whole thing. My whole drive is encrypted and if I ever hear the slightest sound outside my door I immediately hit the power button. Let them try to break a 30 character meaningless password :-)

Vendors need to change up their shipping times, locations, and LABELS. I use a different return address every time. All it takes is one package to get intercepted to compromise ALL packages if you are using the same return address on everything. Remember they take and save a picture of of labels now.

Vendors should ideally be 1 person operations. If one person falls everyone does. Therefore have no others. You guys talk encryption and bitcoin and Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to bust a huge SR vendor? To have one of the parties involved get pulled over driving high, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when it gets raided, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips and whole operation gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anonymity. I know one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a driver who plowed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kgs from his car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years. Keep operations small so you have no one to worry about but yourself.

+1 sound advice

can't stress that enough about keeping the operation small. Do we really need "wal-mart" type vendors...really wtf

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jason Bourne on August 01, 2013, 07:13 am

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities clearly for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you close shop or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just have some record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

It's great you want to help, but don't assume that being a new US domestic vendor qualifies you to give adequate advice about the German judicial system. Your statement is not only completely undocumented, a mere transfer of what you assume to be valid in your home country (which I can't really imagine to be true, btw, but this is only an assumption), but also through and through inaccurate.
I dunno about fireworks, but I know (as in: I'm 100% sure not to mislead anyone out of my own ignorance) that a while ago German police busted quite a few people who ordered MJ seeds from an Austrian webshop. This was done based on the sales  log (I don't remember how they obtained that log, but I believe, through hacking or data interception) of this seed shop. Everyone on the log was payed a visit, not just bulk buyers.

So every statement of yours is actually false. Please refrain from posting such potentially harmfull BS when obviously you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers supplying unencrypted addresses makes me cringe. Most don't and although I strongly suggest they do on all of my pages and make my key available on every page of mine including the signature of all my forum posts most still don't do it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win is idiot proof and takes 1 minute. Just do it.

Vendors should encrypt their entire hard drive with TrueCrypt. It takes one night to do. You can encrypt all the individual files you want but there will always be traces of your activities on the hard drive so just encrypt the whole thing. My whole drive is encrypted and if I ever hear the slightest sound outside my door I immediately hit the power button. Let them try to break a 30 character meaningless password :-)

Vendors need to change up their shipping times, locations, and LABELS. I use a different return address every time. All it takes is one package to get intercepted to compromise ALL packages if you are using the same return address on everything. Remember they take and save a picture of of labels now.

This is common SR knowledge and 100% unrelated to this thread.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Vendors should ideally be 1 person operations. If one person falls everyone does. Therefore have no others.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Again, do not write that as if it was the unquestionable truth.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

You guys talk encryption and bitcoin and Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to bust a huge SR vendor?

Yes: you obviously, don't. This is what this thread is about. A huge SR vendor (ring) getting busted as a result of a year long police operation.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

To have one of the parties involved get pulled over driving high, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when it gets raided, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips and whole operation gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anonymity. I know one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a driver who plowed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kgs from his car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years.

This is getting pathetic. You didn't even read this thread, yet act like you knew it all. This crackdown was (to my knowledge) the only large scale SR drug ring ever being shut down so far.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Keep operations small so you have no one to worry about but yourself.

Great piece of advice from proven reliable source of information.

Have my 2 satoshis:
STFU. You'd spare yourself some ridicule, DrMDA.

Quote from: Quazee on August 01, 2013, 02:21 am

+1 sound advice

LOL

Peace out.
Jason

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluedev1 on August 01, 2013, 07:20 am

thank you from saving me some energy Jason.  though I admit I stopped reading as soon as I hit "Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities"-- foolish would be putting it gently.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: samesamebutdifferent on August 01, 2013, 07:23 am

Too many people throw around subjective opinions like they are qualified facts, this concerns me most when those opinions could affect someones liberty.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

You know what. Fuck you. Do what you want. I am trying to help people. I am someone very very experienced in this field and have spent years fighting very big cases and watching others fight very big cases. I have seen countless discoveries and documents detailing the inside of police investigations, details that don't make it into newspapers. Don't you tell me what I know. If you don't want my advice then fine fuck you. I will keep to myself and to my customers. Have a good day Nazi..... Oh and by the way, the reason I know this shit so well is because in the US you are going to be locked in a 8 x 6 cage for LIFE if you slip up just once, and not just do a couple fucking years in a country club EU prison after spending years out free on appeal after appeal. When one fucking slip up means life in prison you tend to wise up real quick or get fucked.

... Yep just like idiots in this forum to take the side of a guy who's profile location is "Your Mas'. If I'm not on a job, that is." and whose name is after some stupid ass teenage movie. Same idiots who are swearing by acetone washes for purity tests.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 08:21 am

+1 DrMDA

Get off his ass guys, it's not like he's being a troll or anything...

It's a lot more intelligent post then one about a vendor asking to mail dogshit to someone, this gets scrutinized? & that gets 11+ pages?

Bah, get real....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: Jason Bourne on August 01, 2013, 12:30 pm

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

You know what. Fuck you.

Now that is some raw internet anger here.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

Do what you want. I am trying to help people.

I do realize you try to help. You fail to see you don't qualify for that. You know this saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions? I explained that nothing you stated was true. You don't even bother proving me wrong. So what you do instead is call me names. Fine: I'm not a new vendor building a rep. You're doing great providing help btw.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

I am someone very very experienced in this field and have spent years fighting very big cases and watching others fight very big cases. I have seen countless discoveries and documents detailing the inside of police investigations, details that don't make it into newspapers.

5mins of reading into this thread it what it takes to understand this bust, 5 more and you'd have understood my points, thus admitting the dangers in making false claims you present as facts. It seems you lost yourself somewhere, as I understand you had quite a head start with all that insider knowledge.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

Don't you tell me what I know.

My post was about all you don't know.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

If you don't want my advice then fine fuck you.

It is funny to note you still consider the bundle of horsecrap, syllogisms and false claims of yours as "advice". It is not. You endanger people. But maybe you were referring to simplistic generalities you could look up in the FAQ or Newbie Stickied? Thanks for that.
Again absolutely appropriate in this thread.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

I will keep to myself and to my customers.

Now you got my point. It took a lot of anger outbursts, but finally, you understood.
You have 6 transactions so far, not sure this behavior will encourage any new ones, but have it your way.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

Have a good day Nazi..... Oh and by the way, the reason I know this shit so well is because in the US you are going to be locked in a 8 x 6 cage for LIFE if you slip up just once, and not just do a couple fucking years in a country club EU prison after spending years out free on appeal after appeal. When one fucking slip up means life in prison you tend to wise up real quick or get fucked.

You don't make any sense at all here.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

... Yep just like idiots in this forum to take the side of a guy who's profile location is "Your Mas'. If I'm not on a job, that is." and whose name is after some stupid ass teenage movie. Same idiots who are swearing by acetone washes for purity tests.

Now, you know how to make friends. This is important as a new vendor, especially if you manage to befriend the mods. I am personally rather taken away each time I'm called an idiot for the sole reason of disagreeing. I guess you could count on their instant support from now on.
Know that I am deeply offended by your defamation on my accounts name + description, the same way I would be IRL, if you'd laugh about my clothing. Ouch, you hit a nerve here.

Ps:Cute kitty on your profile, much more mature than that teenager avatar of mine, indeed.

Quote from: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 08:21 am

+1 DrMDA

Get off his ass guys, it's not like he's being a troll or anything...

It's a lot more intelligent post then one about a vendor asking to mail dogshit to someone, this gets scrutinized? & that gets 11+ pages?

Bah, get real....

W0:
How would you define someone stumbling into a thread, obviously without reading it first, posting false and dangerous claims unrelated to the topic, as if they were facts. Then, when proven wrong point after point, using solid and verifiable arguments, thus exposing the erroneous, as well as dangerous nature of the produced arguments, immediately starts throwing insults, yet persisting with his claims?
I would call him a troll, but I'm OK if we disagree.

And to you this attitude would be by far more intelligent, than a joke I cracked in an totally unrelated thread regarding a DOD episode? Would you mind explaining that to me? I fail to see any link here.
What I do see is a syllogism and a personal attack resembling the ones I commented above.

I'm done with you both. Please refrain from answering insults or further attacks on my avatar/previous posts. I am interested that this thread doesn't get locked.

Peace out.
Jason.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: bluehorn on August 01, 2013, 02:44 pm

+1 Bourne for providing what Id like to call a fresh breeze. Even though it was wasted on the "Dr" MDA,  I feel surprisingly refreshed now.

Thank you

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 07:09 pm

I was just simply stating that there are a lot more uneducated post in these forums that need your input...

I wasn't meaning to offend or anything, I just think that back & forth arguing with someone is irrelevant, especially here!

I can see you've stated your case & wish to move on! That's awesome +1 for you... Thank you for your input on this subject and I look forward to more knowledgable post by you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.

Post by: funyoungguy on August 06, 2013, 09:26 pm

jeeez  someone pass the popcorn.. lol  I'm here to get updates on the arrests and prosecution. anyone have any updates?

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